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super M wiring help for novice

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bob murphy

10-22-2003 11:08:47




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Tractor wouldn't start so I decided to replace the battery. It was an old sears model that couldn't be matched up, so I measured the voltage. It measured 12 volts, so I bought a generic 12 volt battery. I looks like I still have a generator on the tractor (doesn't look like any alternator I've ever seen). I hooked it up as a negative ground and now the tractor only runs while the starter is turning? Is this supposed to be a positive ground? I didn't really pay attention as I've never seen anything positive ground before. The switch under the ammeter is gone. There is a black box under the ammeter which has four wires connected to it which I assume is the regulator. It's been siliconed shut. Before I break anything I shouldn't, any advice would be appreciated. I have the url for the wiring diagrams, but not sure mine matches any.

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Will Sick

10-22-2003 23:08:30




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 Re: super M wiring help for novice in reply to bob murphy, 10-22-2003 11:08:47  
Someone may have wired this tractor so that when the starter is engaged it send 12 volts to the coil to aid in starting and then the distributor get its current thru a resistor to cut it back to 6 volts thru the ignition switch. This is why it runs when cranking the starter. Run a jumper wire from the battery to the coil to see if it will keep runing then. You could also use a test light to see if the coil is getting current when the switch is on.

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Bob M

10-22-2003 14:11:46




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 Re: super M wiring help for novice in reply to bob murphy, 10-22-2003 11:08:47  
Bob - Sounds like you've got some messed up electrics - not at all unusual on an older tractor! Without actually seeing the wiring it'll be tough to diagnose what you've got and how best to fix. However here's a few thoughts that may help you get started:

Original Super M was 6 volt. However finding a 12 volt battery in the box doesn't necessarily mean the tractor was converted to 12 volts. Many times a tractor's charging system quits, so someone drops in a 12 volt battery to run the tractor. They then put it on a charger whenever the battery goes flat.

The black box you've got under the ammeter describes the original 6 volt regulator (the original regulator has 4 terminals). However unless a part number or voltage is marked on it somewhere it's hard to tell for sure. Also you can pop the dust band off the commutator end of the generator and count the brushes inside. If it's got 3 brushes, the generator is 6 volt. If you find only 2 brushes, it can be either 6 or 12 volt.

How is the ignition/starter on your tractor worked? Is there a key or pushbutton starter switch? If so, incorrect starter switch wiring can make the engine fire while it's cranking, then quit as soon as the starter switch is released, just like you describe.

Grounding (either positive or negative) is inconsequential as far as starting/running the engine - correctly wired the engine will crank and run with ground polarity either way. Polarity only becomes an issue when you get to the charging system (generator, etc) repairs.

Final suggestion: If you are unfamiliar with tractor wiring suggest you find someone who is and have them figure out what you've got now. Once we know what you've got, someone here can then help you get the right wiring diagram and guidance to get it applied.

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Bob Murphy

10-23-2003 05:37:19




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 Re: Re: super M wiring help for novice in reply to Bob M, 10-22-2003 14:11:46  
I've got a pull switch to allow the tractor to start. Then I've got the foot switch to actually start the tractor. There's another switch near the pull switch which I'm guessing was for the lights (which aren't hooked up). When I recently bought the tractor the guy told me to jump a wire from the positive terminal to the top left wire on the regulator when it stopped showing charge on the ammeter. Tractor is covered in snow at the moment, but it's supposed to melt by the weekend. I think I'll pull apart that black box and check for fuses. Do you think it is worth having the generator rebuilt, or should I think about doing the alternator conversion? Thanks again for everyone's help. I'll probably be looking for more after the weekend.

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Bob M

10-23-2003 07:46:39




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 Re: Re: Re: super M wiring help for novice in reply to Bob Murphy, 10-23-2003 05:37:19  
Bob - Having to jumper the regulator to get it to charge could mean either the regulator is bad or the wiring is messed up - and perhaps both. There are no fuses inside the regulator (the "black box"). The only fuse on the tractor is for the lights, and it affects nothing but the lights.

Whether to fix the generator depends on how are you plan to use your Super M. If you want to restore it and keep it "original" then you'll want to fix the existing 6 volt system. However if the tractor's gonna be strictly a worker, a 12 volt alternator conversion is the only way to go. It's cheaper, requires much less maintenance, allows pretty much unlimited use of lights, and makes for easier starting in cold weather.

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