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Farmall 350 vs ihc high utility350

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Carl

10-17-2003 20:31:10




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are these tractors the same or is there a difference?




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Hugh MacKay

10-18-2003 02:12:53




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 Re: Farmall 350 vs ihc high utility350 in reply to Carl, 10-17-2003 20:31:10  
Carl: These two tractors are identical except the high utility has longer front spindles and on rear has Farmall wheels and axles. Horsepower will be in the 40 range.



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dick

10-18-2003 09:41:32




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 Re: Re: Farmall 350 vs ihc high utility350 in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-18-2003 02:12:53  
Actually, they are quite different tractors which have the same-sized engine and a few other parts in common, but not much else. The 350 Farmall was an update on the Farmall H model row crop tractor, most of which were originally sold with the "triangle" configuration - on the front they had one tire only, or two tires close together. Follow this link for a picture:
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The 350 Hi-Utility was a high-clearance version of the 350 Utility tractor which in turn was a minor update of the 300 Utility originally introduced in 1955. All of these had a wide front design, only. Guy Fay's International Harvestor Data Book, p. 194, discusses this variation on the standard utility design. A picture and article:
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A lot of other information and pictures of these and other IH tractors are available on Tom Harp's pages, you may want to browse around there a bit. Hope this was helpful.

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Hugh MacKay again

10-18-2003 16:06:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Farmall 350 vs ihc high utility350 in reply to dick, 10-18-2003 09:41:32  
Dick: I will be willing to bet money that 300 and 350 Farmalls and Utilities share a lot more common parts than any of them do with the Farmall H. I know just a weee bit more about this than you might think. My dad and I bought both a Farmall H and a Farmall 300 new, and while the H didn't stay around for a lot of years, I did have the 300 for 35 years. Over the years that old 300 was rebuilt a lot of times as it has about 25,000 hours on it today.

Between the crank nut on front of engine to either the rubber on the ground or end of pto shaft there are only 3 power train items different between a given Farmall and Utility. 1. Reduction gears for pto. 2. Rear axle 3. Rear wheel and tire. I am excluding hydraulics and belt pullies.

I also suspect the 300 and 350 engines are a lot more closely related to each other than either are to the H.

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randy hall

10-18-2003 19:04:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall 350 vs ihc high utility350 in reply to Hugh MacKay again, 10-18-2003 16:06:13  
hugh you must have been the youngest guy to ever buy an 'h' new.



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Hugh MacKay

10-19-2003 03:04:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall 350 vs ihc high utilit in reply to randy hall, 10-18-2003 19:04:07  
Randy: Your right I didn't have a whole lot to do with the H. I can tell you I was with my dad on the 300 and we looked long and hard at a Oliver Super 77 diesel. The IH dealer did not have anything in stock, larger than 300, so no diesel.

That is precisely why we were looking at the Oliver. He had a 77 diesel in stock. My dad couldn't get very excited about the 400 Farmall diesel and gas start. Plus there was about a 1 year wait to get one.

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Dr.EVIL

10-18-2003 18:22:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall 350 vs ihc high utility350 in reply to Hugh MacKay again, 10-18-2003 16:06:13  
Hugh - I don't think ANY of the castings of a utility interchange with a Farmall. No siderails on the utility, and the clutch housing is way shorter on the utility. The bull gear & pinion ratio is different between the utility & Farmall also because of the rear tire size difference... and the ring gear & pinion ratio may be different as well. Other than a few transmission gears, the T/A unit itself, the clutch, and some hardware I bet not much interchanges. And looking at the 300/350 gas engine parts books most of the parts ARE H parts with advanced suffixes on the part numbers which means they are retrofitable backward from 350 to 300 to Super H to H. There were running changes made to things like wrist pins in pistons but the raw connecting rod was still the same forging just machined different. The suffix could have been changed because of a change in heat treatment or something. I will agree with You 100% that not much off a 300/350 Farmall will interchange with an H. Mostly just the simple bolt-on stuff on the engine interchanges but from the flywheel on back Everything is different. Some stuff likes wheels & rims will fit, but the correct parts are different.

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Hugh MacKay

10-19-2003 02:52:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall 350 vs ihc high utilit in reply to Dr.EVIL, 10-18-2003 18:22:53  
Dr. Evil: Are you telling me what you think or what you know. 25 years ago I had the misfortune of breaking some transmission and rear end parts in my Farmall 300. I was looking for a parts tractor. My local IH dealer told me where I could buy a 300 Utility, and advised that all internal workings of the power train are exactly same, with the exceptions I mentioned in my previous post.

I never did buy that tractor as I found a Farmall, which I felt could be of more use in the long run. It was as I later broke an axle. This is what I know on the subject, and never had any reason to check it further.

On the ratios to the rear wheels I suspect there is no difference as the Utilities use a higher rpm on governors and 540 pto speed. On the road in 5th gear the Utility is a bit slower than the Farmall. I know this as my neighbor had a Utility for years.

On the torque tube, are you absolutely sure what you are saying. I removed a Wagner front end loader from a Cockshutt 540 and installed it on Farmall 300 These two tractors were exactly same length from rear axle carrier to front of front bolster. A few years later I removed that loader and placed it in an auction. Before the auction started a guy came to me knowing it was my loader. He had some questions on how I did the hydraulic hookup. He advised me he had measured loader and his 300 Utility and was seeing same measurements from axle carrier to front bolster. I know he bought the loader.

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Dr.EVIL

10-21-2003 08:19:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall 350 vs ihc high ut in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-19-2003 02:52:01  
HUGH - If You read my post again closely I said Some gears in the Farmall & utility will be the same. Don't know what you tore up in Your 300 FARMALL but I bet that affected what Your Parts guy told you 25 yrs ago. Get out pictures of a 300/350 Utility and compare them to the FARMALL. You'll see why I say No casting interchangability. I have a 1958 vintage 300/350 parts book on the Farmall and Hi-Clears. Find a Utility parts book and We can compare numbers. Then We'll BOTH Know for sure right?

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Hugh MacKay

10-21-2003 16:01:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall 350 vs ihc hig in reply to Dr.EVIL, 10-21-2003 08:19:44  
Dr. Evil: I am not suggesting the transmission rear end casting is the same. It will most definately be different on top end. My problems 25 years ago were the shift lever worn. Quick shifting from 3rd to 4th on the move. You know the rest of the story broken gears and a bent shaft. After taking it apart we found a bull gear and pinion marked up quite badly, I would say from an unrelated incident. I don't think the bull gear and pinion happened at same time as transmission.

I never did buy that 300U parts tractor. I found a Farmall that had burned. Was the best buy as later I broke an axle.

You can check the torque amplifier casting if you wish, I'm just going by what I was told. I wouldn't have put $0.05 in a Utility 45 years ago and I'm definately not going to spend money on any part of one now.

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Hugh MacKay

10-18-2003 12:39:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Farmall 350 vs ihc high utility350 in reply to dick, 10-18-2003 09:41:32  
Dick: If you'll pardon me I read this wrong this am I thought he wanted differences bvetween 350U and 350HU. My mistake.



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dick

10-18-2003 18:12:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall 350 vs ihc high utility350 in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-18-2003 12:39:09  
Hey Hugh, I KNOW that you know the difference between a Farmall and a Utility. Sorry about the clumsy way I answered Carl's question.



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