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Michael Soldan

09-07-2003 16:42:33

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Yes we solve a lot of Farmall tractor problems with questions. This is off topic but I know I'll get an answer here. I was sitting in the barm waiting for the water trough to fill and I noticed the spring calves frolicking and then a heifer showed all signs of "bulling" and began jumping a bull calf, repeating the behaviuour several times. Is this because the cow is in estrogen and the calf is picking up these hormones through the milk supply,is it playing or is it actual coming in heat at two months plus??? I can't believe the calf is old enough for this to be natural to its body. The heifer calf was born 22 07 03, the bull calf 24 07 03. The rest of the story is that the bull calf seemed interested...I've never seen this in such young animals before but there is always something to learn. Question Two: A neighbour stated that twin calves born to his cow were male and female and that either one or the other will be sterile, most likely the bull calf..where the heck did that come from??? Finally I finished bringing in the second cut, had it done in big rounds and brought it in with the B250 and loader..sure beats small squares for time, but I like the small squares come December, easy to throw down the shutte and you don't need to start the tractor every day to feed. I am looking forward to your answers to the cattle questions ....Mike in Exeter Ontario

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Bill Smith

09-09-2003 12:33:41

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Re: Farming Farmallers: Cattle Question in reply to Michael Soldan, 09-07-2003 16:42:33

I have never experienced coming up with twins. Don't think I would complain but so far, I haven't come up with any twins. However, I too have always heard about the steril deal. I presume that there is truth to it. Having had a cow calf heard for several years, I have seen young calves mount but always presumed it was all in play. I haven't had any heifers come up bread untill they are atleast 6 to 9 months old. Not saying it is impossible for them to come up bread, but I ussually wait untill that time frame to cut off all contact with a bull. I definately don't like for my heifers to get bread before they are 1 year old, and it has been my experience that I have had less calving problems if I wait longer than that. It seems I have had alot of calving trouble with anything having a calf before 2 years old. Just my 2 cents worth.

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Leo

09-07-2003 19:16:18

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Re: Farming Farmallers: Cattle Question in reply to Michael Soldan, 09-07-2003 16:42:33

It appears that the freemartin heifer is very explained at this point. Yep, had em. Yep, sterile. I have another cattle question though. I was checking the slaughter cow prices in the paper and there is a reference to Premium Whites. Can anyone tell me how this pertains to pound cows? Thanks, Leo

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ny bill o

09-07-2003 18:51:07

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Re: Farming Farmallers: Cattle Question in reply to Michael Soldan, 09-07-2003 16:42:33

heifers born twin to a bull are almost always sterile (freemartin). one figure i have seen is 90% are sterile. i've had a dairy for 24 years, and am still waiting for my 10% breeders to arrive. i will say that my dad's herd had a couple of sets of twins that had good females, so i know they do exist.
as to the calves fooling around, i've had similar behavior from 6 mos old calves, but not 3 mos old.

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kevin

09-07-2003 18:30:54

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Re: Farming Farmallers: Cattle Question in reply to Michael Soldan, 09-07-2003 16:42:33

i have a heifer that was a twin heifer so she is not a freemartin, how does that bode for her getting pregnant?

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TP from Central PA

09-07-2003 18:09:51

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Re: Farming Farmallers: Cattle Question in reply to Michael Soldan, 09-07-2003 16:42:33

We got twin Holsteins given to use(Bull and a heifer)..... ....The guy who gave them to us said the Heifer will probably be sterile..... ..The neighbors calved and milked alot of cows over the years and they believe that is nothing but a tall tale..... .....I don't really believe it myself.....

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Brent in IA

09-09-2003 04:36:26

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Re: Re: Farming Farmallers: Cattle Question in reply to TP from Central PA, 09-07-2003 18:09:51

90% (give or take) of heifers born in a heifer/bull pair will be sterile according to university research...and according to my uncle who dairied for 50+ years you only have to feed a couple heifers twins who won't breed after you put all that work into them to figure out they must be right and just sell the heifer twin along with the bull calves!

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h puller

09-07-2003 17:14:03

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Re: Farming Farmallers: Cattle Question in reply to Michael Soldan, 09-07-2003 16:42:33

It is possible your heifer could be in heat. I custom develop replacement heifers and once in a while we will get in a heifer that has gotten bred at 4 months of age and has a full term calf inside when I get them at a year old. Not much fun getting those calves out. On your other question on the twins the female will be sterile due to the testosterone from her brother does not let her develop any eggs while in the womb.

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Roy in UK

09-07-2003 23:37:06

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Re: Re: Farming Farmallers: Cattle Question in reply to h puller, 09-07-2003 17:14:03

Yes we had quite a few 'freemartin' heifers that ended up in the fattening yard. No matter how nice some of them looked at times we knew they would be no good to keep back as suckler replacements.
The English vet James Herriot writes in on of his famous books "There is nothing wipes the smile off a vet's face quicker than seeing a pair of huge feet sticking out of the rear end of a tiny heifer".

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Bob

09-07-2003 16:49:39

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Re: Farming Farmallers: Cattle Question in reply to Michael Soldan, 09-07-2003 16:42:33

Can't answer your first question, but as to the twins, go to Google and look up "freemartin".

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riverrat

09-07-2003 19:01:52

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Re: Re: Farming Farmallers: Cattle Question in reply to Bob, 09-07-2003 16:49:39

I've been farming most of my life and I can tell you, one heifer and one bull born as twins, the bull will be ok, the heifer will be sterile. Period. Two heifers born together, both will be ok to breed. Twin bulls, same way. But mix them, the heifer is hamburger.

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