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Bill W.

08-19-2003 11:18:16




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I have an opportunity to pick up a New Holland Hayliner 67 baler. This is a PTO driven baler. Will the "C" handle it?
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Kelly C

08-20-2003 21:07:47




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 Re: baler on a farmall C in reply to Bill W., 08-19-2003 11:18:16  
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Hey if this guy can bale with a A and pull a wagon. A C should be like heaven.



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Owen

08-20-2003 19:00:00




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 Re: baler on a farmall C in reply to Bill W., 08-19-2003 11:18:16  
The Farmall C should have no problems. I can do everything my dad can do with the 65 horse with the C.



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Big Red

08-21-2003 20:09:47




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 Re: Re: baler on a farmall C in reply to Owen, 08-20-2003 19:00:00  
Don't think so.



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RayP(MI)

08-20-2003 17:42:47




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 Re: baler on a farmall C in reply to Bill W., 08-19-2003 11:18:16  
Ran a 268 Hayliner and an Oliver 60T with a Farmall 200, this summer. The 200 is a SuperC in disguise, same engine, etc. The oliver baler shook and pounded the 2pt hitch pretty badly - there's too many points of looseness. Had to tighten every bolt in the hitch assembly after a day's baling. The 268 ran smoother, and the 200 handled it fine. Think the Oliver had very little weight on the hitch, and the was pretty well balanced on the wheels front to back, so it tended to bound up and down. Power is adequate, but you can get in trouble pulling a baler and wagon load of hay up a hill. I have about 250# on the front in a weight box, and should have wheel weights. Have also run these balers on a John Deere B, and it handles them fine, but then it outweighs the 200 by about 100#!

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Correction - RayP(MI)

08-21-2003 04:20:03




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 Re: Re: baler on a farmall C in reply to RayP(MI), 08-20-2003 17:42:47  
Deere outweighs Farmall by a THOUSAND POUNDS, not a Hundred! Decimal problem here!!!!!



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SWH

08-20-2003 13:01:33




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 Re: baler on a farmall C in reply to Bill W., 08-19-2003 11:18:16  
No body has mentioned the Model 37 baler--makes great bales, a reliable little workhorse!



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Chad

08-20-2003 15:24:27




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 Re: Re: baler on a farmall C in reply to SWH, 08-20-2003 13:01:33  
Bill, I couldn't agree with you more. I just baled 500 squares with our #47 wire tie just yesterday. We hadn't run it for a number of years but all we had to do was grease it up and get some wire in it. It was kicking out some good quality bales in very short order (we had a very heavy second cutting).

I'm not sure what other people's experiences have been with the 37 and 47 balers, but other than one summer when I was a kid (that summer we had all kinds of troubles with it, fixed them all and have had no troubles since,) it has been a great piece of machinery. I can't even begin to imagine how many bales it has thrown out the chute in it's lifetime.

As far as the tractor that I used, Dad didn't want to wait around to allow me to troubleshoot the electrical system on our SMTA, so he hooked it up to our 1086. Obviously, that steel horse didn't have any idea that baler was behind it.

Chad

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JB

08-19-2003 17:31:33




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 Re: baler on a farmall C in reply to Bill W., 08-19-2003 11:18:16  
Baled many thousands of bales with SC and IH 45 baler. Lots of it in 2nd gear in lighter hay. Keep in mind we only had 6' mowers in those days and the windrows were much smaller than today's haybines.
As someone else said the IH 45 was not the easiest baler to run. The IH 46 was a 500% improvement. By the time we upgraded to 46 we also had replaced SC by B414D. Could do 600 medium sized bales an hour with 46 and B414D in 1st high.
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JB

08-21-2003 17:46:04




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 Re: Re: baler on a farmall C in reply to JB, 08-19-2003 17:31:33  
Just to clarify the bales/hour with the IH 46. The bales we made were 35 to 40 lbs and were tied loose enough to stick a pitch fork in. I would use 1 bundle (2 balls) of 10,000 ft twine an hour in good hay and smooth ground and dumping the bales on the ground.

So for real bales of 80 lbs tied tight, I guess only 200/hour.

Re IH 45, yes the knotters and the pickup were a problem. The outside knotter on ours rarely ever missed but the inside was a different story. Like someone else said I did my duty riding on the twine box tiing the missed bales. I eventually convinced my Dad that the problem with the inside knotter was the needle was mis-aligned. The needles on a 45 were a tube with cast pionts. So we swung the knotter up out of the way, and adjusted the inside needle with 3 ft of pipe. It tied perfectly after that fine adjustment.
In 1958 Dad traded SC for 300U and he could not bale any faster than with SC because the 45 pickup did not turn fast enough to pick up the hay.
Then in 1960 the neighbor on the next farm bought an IH 46 and he ran it with an 8N Ford and could bale twice as fast as we could with 45. Then in the fall of 1961 IH had just release B414D and had a good $$ promotion, so Dad traded 300U and IH 45 for B414D and IH 46.

So that is my story.
JB

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BullSh**

08-20-2003 16:18:37




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 Re: Re: baler on a farmall C in reply to JB, 08-19-2003 17:31:33  
600 bales in an hour. Better have your hip boots on because it's getting deep. A 45 couldn't tie that many in a day.



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FC

08-20-2003 11:58:24




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 Re: Re: baler on a farmall C in reply to JB, 08-19-2003 17:31:33  
JB, I would bet you have spent a bit of time re-tying behind that #45 baler. I know I certainly have. Dad wore out pocket knifes cutting twine and tying bales which it did not tie, as well as re-baling. I have spent a few hours riding the baler tying the ones it missed. Not exactly the best piece of equipment IH made. We bought it used and dad always said it was wore out when he bought it, but I have since found this was just the nature of the beast.

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Hugh MacKay

08-20-2003 13:35:39




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 Re: Re: Re: baler on a farmall C in reply to FC, 08-20-2003 11:58:24  
FC: Your dad may have thought the 45 was worn out when he got it. I can honestly tell you they were no better brand new. My dad bought his new and the first paint worn off it was from me or one of my brothers sitting on twine box tieing.



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FC

08-20-2003 13:59:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: baler on a farmall C in reply to Hugh MacKay, 08-20-2003 13:35:39  
We kept the twine box pretty well shined up as well. They were handy mounted on the side of the bale chamber. Me or dad would ride on the twine box to tie missed bales as you say. We had two sets of knotters (one being a spare from the boneyard) and dad spent countless hours trying to tweak that thing to tie. Dad bought it from a widow. Dad said he had raked for the widows husband back in the late 50's in front of the baler doing custom baling, and it never gave the problems we had. The old guy custom baled using an old Ferguson tractor (not sure of the model, but it was similar to an 8N) Dad finally bought a different baler after I was grown, and retired the old 45. It still rests where he parked it. I guess I should get someone to haul it off for scrap.

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Hugh MacKay

08-20-2003 17:13:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: baler on a farmall C in reply to FC, 08-20-2003 13:59:16  
FC: My dad bought his 45 baler in 53 or 54 not right sure witch, but I think we baled two summers with the H and in 55 he bought a new 300. He struggled along with the old 45 until 59. I can well remember every morning my brothers and I would be off loading several wagon loads of hay, and dad would be tinkering with that baler, trying to figure out why it wouldn't tie. He had a McCormick binder since long before I was born in 42. It was a great tieing machine. It was probably on the strength of that old binder that he bought the 45. I remember he looked at other balers, MH, JD, Oliver and New Holland. New Holland was his preference in 1953 but the dealer was 100 miles away. 100 miles was a long way in 1953.

In 1958 my cousin and her husband opened a New Holland dealership, about 15 miles away. Now there was a formula for business success. 80% of the farmers in the area had an IH 45 baler they were so fed up with it was going down the road. My dad traded his 45 for a NH Super 69 hayliner in 1959 and in the spring of 60 he took a new thrower to go with it. I had that baler until I went to round bales in 1976. And what a nice baler it was , took so little power to operate it. I have baled a few loads with the Farmall 130, and yes pulled the wagon and operated the thrower. By the way, when my cousin and her husband retired they had about 5 acres of 45 balers. Some of them had seen as little as 3-4 years use. I know there were balers in that bone yard that had baled less than 20,000 bales total. They used to joke and say their profit was the yard full of 45 balers. It got to the point where they just wouldn't take one on trade.

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gene b

08-20-2003 10:28:15




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 Re: Re: baler on a farmall C in reply to JB, 08-19-2003 17:31:33  
600 bales per hour is wild that is 10 a minute and 50 strokes a minute means 5 slices per bale. Pretty wild .



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Hugh MacKay

08-19-2003 14:03:51




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 Re: baler on a farmall C in reply to Bill W., 08-19-2003 11:18:16  
Bill: Of course the C will bale hay and especially on that New Holland baler. When I was a young lad we had a neighbor who milked 60 holsteins raised all his replacement heifers and lived in a climate where cows were housed and fed hay over half the year. So he had to be baling 20,000-25,000 bales per year. He did all the baling with pto baler and C, later SC, 200, etc. The old guy was in his 70's and I have seen him bale, it was not 1st gear.

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Van

08-19-2003 13:03:24




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 Re: baler on a farmall C in reply to Bill W., 08-19-2003 11:18:16  
The C is a marginal performer on a baler, it will do it but you would be better off with more horsepower. In heavy hay a H is marginal



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FC

08-19-2003 11:23:58




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 Re: baler on a farmall C in reply to Bill W., 08-19-2003 11:18:16  
I am not familiar with the baler you refer to, but I have baled many bales with a McCormick 45 pto baler behind a C. And the 45 baler is in my mind one of the hardest balers to pull, as well as being less than reliable. You will likely have to pull it in 1st gear and use small windrows especially in heavy hay. And yes it will work the C pretty hard, but should handle it.



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dhermesc

08-19-2003 14:56:17




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 Re: Re: baler on a farmall C in reply to FC, 08-19-2003 11:23:58  
Our neighbor pulled a Hayliner 67 with his 8N at times, but I know he never got it out of 1st. About the only thing I recall is that the plunger really rocked that little tractor. He usually pulled it with his little Allis D15.



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FC

08-20-2003 06:52:39




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 Re: Re: Re: baler on a farmall C in reply to dhermesc, 08-19-2003 14:56:17  
We also pulled the #45 behind an 8N as well as the Farmall C. These were the only 2 tractors we had, and as a matter of fact I still own them. The old 45 baler is "sitting in the weeds" now, but the tractors still live. I have in fact baled with both of them in 2nd gear, but only if the hay was light. I would be willing to bet with a baler such as a New Holland I could have baled in 2nd. As a matter of fact I am kind of in the market for a New Holland or similar baler. I had trouble findind anyone to bale my hay this year in large round bales, and if I had a square baler I would have already baled some of it. I do have an individual coming tonight to look at it to see if he wants to bale it. I still have a McCormick #31 mower, a McCormick #5 (if memory serves) side delivery rake, but no working baler, as I sold dads Massey Ferguson a couple years ago thinking I was never going to use it again.

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dhermesc

08-20-2003 10:04:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: baler on a farmall C in reply to FC, 08-20-2003 06:52:39  
Just courious, what kind of weight could you pack into a bale using the 8N? I loved picking up my neighbors, he only made them about 40# (with either tractor). My dad would have bales weighing between 65# and 85#, depending on the hay. The old 440 baler could churn out some seriously heavy bales in alfalfa if you didn't check it occassionally.



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FC

08-20-2003 11:53:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: baler on a farmall C in reply to dhermesc, 08-20-2003 10:04:38  
It has been quite a few years, but I know dad always liked to pack them a lot heavier than I as a young kid liked, and he always like to bale it a little "greener" than I liked. I would guess though that dad baled them between the 65 and 80 lb mark. I remember him checking my bales and "screwing" it down to make them heavier. He always looked at it that he wanted less bales, but did not mind the weight. Guess you could say he had a little more "lead" than I, as he would toss them on the wagon with one hand while it was all I could do to throw with both hands. I remember on occasion trying to get the baler adjusted and cranking out some monsters. I do know that #45 baler worked both the C and 8N hard. I got a big bite in the plunger once which killed the C and I restarted and dumped the clutch wide open and twisted the pto tube in the transmission in two. That was the first day for baling with the 8N and it done a good deal of the baling from then on. These days a lot of folks feel that they cannot bale without a 80 horse or better air conditioned rig.

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