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HAWK

08-15-2003 01:21:11




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Anyone have pro's or con's on 504 gas trac.? Thank You.




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Diesel Don

08-15-2003 20:54:39




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 Re: farmall 504 in reply to HAWK, 08-15-2003 01:21:11  
Hi folks. Haven't been here in a while so I thought I'd check in, and happened to hit a good post. Here's one for you. A friend of mine called me up today and asked me to look at his 504. At the time, he had it hooked to a Gehl 1090 haybine and I think it may have caused his trouble. He had told me he was running the haybine and all of a sudden it developed a bad miss. He had done all the normal checks and repairs-carb,plugs,points,condenser,wires(although he installed resistor wires and I told him to ditch them),and even a second set of plugs.Nothing would work. I pulled the plugs and looked at them myself. #3 and #4 were somewhat blackened but not oil fouled. #'s 3&4 were missing. I did a compression test 1-150, 2-150, 3-150, 4-0psi. I think he overworked it and burned up the valves in #4. The point of my post is the 504 is a good tractor if it is used as it was intended. I don't think pulling what appeared to be a 10' haybine is what it was made for.

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Hugh MacKay

08-15-2003 02:12:02




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 Re: farmall 504 in reply to HAWK, 08-15-2003 01:21:11  
Hawk: The 504 was one of the first IH gas tractors other the Cub not to have a non sleeved engine. This by now if the tractor has been worked over the years means tractor engine is probably near the end of it's lifespan. It was also an attempt by IH to get horsepower from RPM's rather then cubic inches.

I had one of these tractors very briefly, being bought with a farm. As I was planning to buy a much larger tractor either my 300 which probably had 16,000 hours on it at time or this 504 were being traded off on the larger tractor. I took these tractors to field one day and with a model No. 60- 3x16 plow tried them both. 504 had just been rebuilt and vendor suggested I not keep the 504 long. The 300 outplowed the 504 hands down. 504 was rated 6-8 more hp than 300. As the tractor I was keeping was going to be one of six and only used for pulling wagons, I kept the 300. Of course the 504 having 3 point hitch commanded a much better price on trade in. All these items became a factor in decission.

If you find a low hour 504 you only plan to use for light duty work, they are a nice tractor to operate and should be good for 10,000 hours. Put it this way on a low hour 504, if a home owner with 10-20 acres 200 hours per year, I would take it, however if a commercial farmer clocking the hours on, run the other way.

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Joe Evans

08-15-2003 07:26:01




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 Re: Re: farmall 504 in reply to Hugh MacKay, 08-15-2003 02:12:02  
Hugh: those are interesting comments about the 504. My two brothers and I are now the "keepers" of my late father's collection of 11 Farmalls. Two members of our fleet are a 504 and a 460.

The 504 was my father's latest acquisition and is what I term a 'beater'--pretty rough cosmetically with lots of mechanical loose ends that needed tidying up. My youngest brother is gifted mechanically and is our in-house get-things-done-guy. He has fixed up the 504 mechanically and is quite smitten with it.

Some of his mindset regarding the 504 might be likened to someone adopting an ugly puppy and raising it to become your faithful companion. Another part of his thinking is that with all the hours of tinkering he's done with F series,H's, and M's, this 504 has power steering, a tachometer, a T/A that works, and decent hydraulics. These items are a quantum leap over what he's accustomed to.

My impression of the 504 is that it's somewhat wimpy. It has a Farmall H size engine (C-152) but derives its HP from a high RPM setting. The drive train castings look a little on the light side, but to be fair, the 460 castings will never be confused with 400/450's.

We have an old 10' JD transport disk that can be a bit of a bear to pull on some of our hilly ground. In places it will make the 460 growl. My brother says the 504 will eat that disk's lunch. I don't believe he's ever used the 504 to do any real disking. How can the 504 giving up 69 cubic inches to the 460 plus making its HP at 2200 RPM vs the 460's 1800 out perform the 460? I have very little seat time on the 504, but it sure seems like it sweats harder than the 460 pulling our 7' rotay mower.

My brother may be coming around: I heard that he pulled the front wheels off the 504 to change out wheel bearings and was a bit shocked to see the wussy-sized front spindles. Now he's fearful of putting the loader back on the 504 for fear of tearing something up.

I would not make a 504 a farm's lead tractor. For utility work like raking, planting, and towing around hay wagons--I think that was the intended use IHC had for this unit.

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Nebraska Cowman

08-15-2003 17:45:28




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 Re: Re: Re: farmall 504 in reply to Joe Evans, 08-15-2003 07:26:01  
hugh will correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the 504 used a souped up C motor.



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Hugh MacKay

08-16-2003 01:22:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: farmall 504 in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 08-15-2003 17:45:28  
Now that you mention this the 504 gas engine (C-153) does look like a quite a dainty little engine. I know the C-123 and C-135 blocks are the same casting, using different bore and stroke. Whether that was streched to 153 cubic inch without sleeves I'm not sure. I remember the day I plowed with both 300 and 504 and compareing the two tractors. The 300 is much wider through the engine block. I am not going to argue on this one, as I suspect KB's opinion is close.

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K.B.

08-15-2003 19:53:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: farmall 504 in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 08-15-2003 17:45:28  
That's kind of right. The big difference is that the C-123 in the Super C is wet sleeved and the C-153 in the 504 is sleeveless. Still, many people would consider these two engines to be in the same "family", because they do have quite a few parts in common. I've heard that you can build a real mean C-123 by using a 504 carb and govoner parts.



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