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Scott

08-10-2003 14:08:41

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A couple of weeks ago, I posted a message about a Super A distillate tractor. I posted the model as"FAAI", and was told that this probably was an industrial tractor. Upon closer inspection, the I looks more like the number one. Would "FAA1" designate it as a Super A-1? I read that the Super A-1 had more hydrauluic power than the standard Super A. The buyer's guide that I have puts three stars on a Super A and gives an extra star for the A-1.Does the fact that it is also a distillate tractor(two fuel tanks, etc.) make it even more collectable? If anyone has a ballpark value on a tractor like this, I sure would appreciate the info. The tractor is all original and has never been restored. All the parts are there and work fine. The sheet metal is straight, with very little rust. The tractor has been under a shed for nearly all of it's existance. Lastly, is this tractor worth more restored or in original condition? Thanks for any info.

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Guy Fay

08-10-2003 20:21:58

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Re: Super A-1 ? distillate tractor in reply to Scott, 08-10-2003 14:08:41

For whatever reason, the "I" in FAAI was often stamped with a "1" instead of an "I". Chassis serial number is what counts.

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Scott

08-11-2003 03:50:45

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Re: Re: Super A-1 ? distillate tractor in reply to Guy Fay, 08-10-2003 20:21:58

The tag reads: FAA(1?, or I?) 263833, max idle speed 1540rpm, thanks, Scott

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08-10-2003 17:27:22

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Re: Super A-1 ? distillate tractor in reply to Scott, 08-10-2003 14:08:41

Scott, where is the serial number tag? Under the seat or on the LH side of the clutch housing? I'd have to check but I >>THINK<< the Super A-1's had their serial number tag on the clutch housing. Also the A-1's had a bigger steering wheel, I want to say 18"? Same size as a Super C wheel. FWIW, I think distillate tractors were getting pretty scarce by then. And if in good shape, I enjoy a nice, clean original just as much as one immaculately restored. As far as completeness, does it have the tank, lines to the sediment bowl, proper manifold with heat shield and the radiator shutters and linkage?

If you had the chance, I'm sure we'd all like to see pictures. It sounds like a nice tractor.

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Scott

08-11-2003 03:55:08

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Re: Re: Super A-1 ? distillate tractor in reply to Al, 08-10-2003 17:27:22

Tag is under seat. Reads: Model FAA(its either a one or an I) ser# 263833 Max idle 1540 rpm. All the parts are there(shutters, manifold, bowl, etc.) Thanks, Scott

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Dave_Id

08-10-2003 14:17:44

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Re: Super A-1 ? distillate tractor in reply to Scott, 08-10-2003 14:08:41

The Super A1 has the C123ci engine, the other Super A's and A's have the C113 engine. It's my opinion, and only an opinion that excellent original condition would be worth more than a repainted one. I don't know how many distillates were made, although it would be rarer, I would have no idea what it would be worth, probably no more than another Super A in good condition.

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Scott

08-10-2003 15:47:13

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Re: Re: Super A-1 ? distillate tractor in reply to Dave_Id, 08-10-2003 14:17:44

How would I identify the 123 ci engine? Would the rated rpm be different? We have another Super A, and I think that the rated rpm on the tags are different. Thanks for the help, Scott

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Dave_Id

08-10-2003 17:10:28

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Re: Re: Re: Super A-1 ? distillate tractor in reply to Scott, 08-10-2003 15:47:13

Other than removing the pan and measuring the bore, the part number on these is right behind the oil filter. The six or seven digit number on a C113 starts with a 2, and the C123 engine starts with a 3. I don't know the numbers off the top of my head, I haven't got my notebook home with me. I'm sure somebody else can tell you the actual number

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Scott

08-11-2003 04:16:37

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Super A-1 ? distillate tractor in reply to Dave_Id, 08-10-2003 17:10:28

Must be a 113. Engine part # is 251068R. Now I'm really confused. It's not an A1, and if it is an industrial, it doesn't have the beefed up front axle or anything else that looks any different than a regular Super A other than the extra tank, different manifold, shutters, etc. Thanks, Scott

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CNKS

08-10-2003 18:23:46

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Super A-1 ? distillate tractor in reply to Dave_Id, 08-10-2003 17:10:28

The engine prefix for the C123 in the Super A-1 is FCM, for the C113 in the Super A it is FAAM, The C123 will have a water pump. However if he indeed has a kerosene/distillate Super A-1, it will also have a water pump. To confuse the issue, both the C113 in the C and the C123 in the Super C have the engine prefix FCM. Of course they both fit the Super A, in case the engine has been changed. Among other differences, the I believe the Super A-1 has space between the Hyd reservoir and the gas tank, on the A the gas tank sits almost on the hyd reservoir. I was not aware of the 2 or 3 beginning digit in the engine serial number, but the chassis serial hit 300000 in 1950, long before the C123 was used. I always thought the engine serial closely matched the chassis serial.

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Dave_Id

08-10-2003 18:35:56

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Super A-1 ? distillate tractor in reply to CNKS, 08-10-2003 18:23:46

I was talking about the engine block part number beginning with a 2 or 3

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CNKS

08-10-2003 18:41:29

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Super A-1 ? distillate tra in reply to Dave_Id, 08-10-2003 18:35:56

WHOOPS-- ok, book says that the beginning chassis serial number is 356001.

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Scott

08-11-2003 03:58:23

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Super A-1 ? distillate in reply to CNKS, 08-10-2003 18:41:29

Still confused, tag reads FAAand either a 1 or an I ser# is 263833 max rpm is 1540. Thanks, Scott

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CNKS

08-11-2003 20:27:22

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Super A-1 ? distil in reply to Scott, 08-11-2003 03:58:23

If yours is a 1948 Super A, I do not know what the I or 1 is, But the prefix for the International Super A (Industrial) chassis serial is IAA, not FAA, the engine prefix is IAAM. Look at the engine PART number on the block as Dave_ID suggests. I think you have a 1948 FARMALL Super A.

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Paul

08-11-2003 07:28:24

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Super A-1 ? distil in reply to Scott, 08-11-2003 03:58:23

The chassis serial numbers for Super A-1's started at 356001. Yours is a 1948 Super AI.

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