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560 Draft/Drawbar Hydraulics

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Ernie Bob

07-06-2003 23:31:29




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A friend of mine asked me to inquire about 560 hydraulids. He said they were heating up and the drawbar/draft control was not working properly. Theyu took something apart and found 3 beveled gears and one was stripped off. They put in a used gear and now he says it;s out of time. Anyone out there familiar with the draft control/drawbar hydraulics and the timing of these three bevel gears?

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Ernie Bob

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Aces

07-07-2003 05:06:31




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 Re: 560 Draft/Drawbar Hydraulics in reply to Ernie Bob, 07-06-2003 23:31:29  
Hugh is right on how it works and it is out of time it can be retimed I have did this maney times but it is trial and error. I could not tell you how.



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Hugh MacKay

07-07-2003 05:41:59




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 Re: Re: 560 Draft/Drawbar Hydraulics in reply to Aces, 07-07-2003 05:06:31  
Aces: On my 560 those spider gears had enough teeth missing, so all control was lost and hitch would either go to top or bottom and labour to go further. I think Ernie is suggesting the spiders are broken as well. I had to quit using tractor until it was repaired. My tractor had 3 valves so tried putting hitch on another valve and keep going. The hitch valve caped created continuous labour of system. I called dealer on parts to repair. I recall the quick fix was a valve from a 300 parts tractor I had. Of course I completely lost the draft control. With tractor on forage harvester and about two days haylage ahead in windrow, quick was more important than draft control. 100% of use for tractor at that time was drawbar and pto work so I went to M type drawbar.

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Aces

07-07-2003 08:15:55




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 Re: Re: Re: 560 Draft/Drawbar Hydraulics in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-07-2003 05:41:59  
Hugh! you could do that, and you might very well be right on getting the gears now could be hard to find. Just saying timing can be done without taking valve off of tractor, if it is not in time it can not center the valve and it well high pressure.



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Hugh MacKay

07-07-2003 08:57:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 560 Draft/Drawbar Hydraulics in reply to Aces, 07-07-2003 08:15:55  
Aces: My apologies, I noticed the timing aspect after the fact. I never got to that point, as the four main jobs I was doing with 560 were forage harvester, No.60 4x16 plow, field cultivator and manure spreader.



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Aces

07-07-2003 09:38:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 560 Draft/Drawbar Hydraulics in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-07-2003 08:57:28  
Hugh! No apologies needed, when I give my 2 cents on here it comes from a machanics point of view where I had to repair to satisfy the costomer, the first time. I don't mean to step on any one's toes, I say it as I saw it, I like to here what you have to say. Have a good day.
Ace.



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Hugh MacKay

07-07-2003 02:43:10




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 Re: 560 Draft/Drawbar Hydraulics in reply to Ernie Bob, 07-06-2003 23:31:29  
Ernie: I had this happen with my 560, 30 years ago. The control valve for these tractors were basically the same valve as used on 300, 400, 350, 450, 230, 240, 340, 460 and 560. In the control valve for draft control hitch is different in that it has these spider gears with a control lever on each side. One of these levers hooks to your hand position control, the other side hooks into side of lift cylinder. The early ones used cable control and later models used a series of rods with ball and socket conections.

When that spider goes the conection between darft control and position lever is lost causing hitch to hunt continuously. I did price parts at the time, however my hitch was worn completely out. I replaced the valve with a regular valve off a 300, bought a new M type swinging drawbar. By then I had 656 with 3 point and no 2 point equipmnt. I have a feeling his only source for parts will be scrap yard. I cant remember for sure but I think that was only source 30 years ago. Quite frankly I didn't try very hard.

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