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Dave42-H

07-02-2003 05:17:51




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I know this isn't a tractor question,but my 1984
red farmall hauling pickup,with a 350 chevy motor
4barrell is spark knocking terrible.Ive tuned it up,messed with the timing andI'm running higher octane gas,but it still is spark knocking terrible. I was hoping to get it fixed before the tractor show this weekend.Any help would be apprecated, Thanx Dave




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Bob

07-02-2003 13:38:00




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 Re: H- hauler in reply to Dave42-H, 07-02-2003 05:17:51  
1. Verify that TDC mark on dampner is correct by CAREFULLY AND SAFELY rocking engine back and forth with a length of wire in #1 spark plug hole to determine maximum rise of piston. This is TDC.

2. If the dampner mark is correct, disconnect the 4 wire plug near the distributer and start the engine and reset timing with a timing light to factory specs.. Shut engine off and reconnect 4 wire plug. If this does not solve the problem, check the operation of the ESC. While someone watches the timing mark with a timing light, CAREFULLY AND SAFELY tap the engine block on the lower right side, near the knock sensor with a wrench. The timing should retard significantly. (The KNOCK SENSOR is the goofy looking thing screwed into the right bank water drain plug hole.) If this works, some other thoughts are:

3. A clogged or inoperative EGR system will cause more detonation, because the addition of recirculated exhaust lessons the potential of the charge to detonate.

4. A blown head gasket between two cylinders can cause the !@#$%^!@@#$# knock you've ever heard because the leakage between cylinders can cause the neighboring cylinder to light off at the wrong time. Do a compression check and look for cylinders next to each other that show low compression.

5. Contrary to some peoples' opinions, rotating the distributer in a computer controlled engine such as this WILL change the timing, and should lessen or increase the knock. The computer can screw with the timging just so many degrees off the base timing, and when you change the base timing, the range the computer changes the timing will change along with the position of the distributer.

Let us know what you find out... IT SHOULD BE INTERESTING!

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Mike ISW

07-02-2003 13:57:02




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 Re: Re: H- hauler in reply to Bob, 07-02-2003 13:38:00  
I don't believe a 1984 350 is computer controlled. Especially with a 4-barrel carb. Chevy didn't come out with electonic fuel injection until i think 1987. I may be wrong though, been known to happen. Mike



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CNKS

07-02-2003 19:14:12




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 Re: Re: Re: H- hauler in reply to Mike ISW, 07-02-2003 13:57:02  
I had a 1984, it did have a ECM.



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Bob

07-02-2003 14:52:34




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 Re: Re: Re: H- hauler in reply to Mike ISW, 07-02-2003 13:57:02  
No one said it was FUEL INJECTED. These vehicles had ELECTRONIC SPARK CONTROL and probably feedback controlled carburetors operated by an ECM, otherwise known as a COMPUTER.



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MIke ISW

07-03-2003 03:48:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: H- hauler in reply to Bob, 07-02-2003 14:52:34  
I stand corrected!



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joe c al

07-02-2003 08:16:47




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 Re: H- hauler in reply to Dave42-H, 07-02-2003 05:17:51  
I had 1982 chevy van that ran bad i could't find what was wrong a frind that works for a chevy dealer told me that this model had centrifical and electronal advance un pluged the 4 wire comeing from the computer to distiber ran the best it ever ran after that. Joe C AL.



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Dave42-H

07-02-2003 06:51:21




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 Re: H- hauler in reply to Dave42-H, 07-02-2003 05:17:51  
thank you for the quick response,I will try these idea's.BobM,wouldn't I beable to solve the timing problem by just turning the distributer unit?



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Bob M

07-02-2003 07:15:37




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 Re: Re: H- hauler in reply to Dave42-H, 07-02-2003 06:51:21  
Yes indeed! Simply turning the distributor solved the timing problem. However it took us long time to figure it out because it was one of those deals where where we didn't believe what we were seeing. The motor ran best when the timing was apparently retarded so far a timing light would not pick up the mark. Figured "that's impossible - gotta be something else"...

Experience is a great teacher!

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Steve from Mo - maybe...

07-02-2003 07:15:19




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 Re: Re: H- hauler in reply to Dave42-H, 07-02-2003 06:51:21  
If it is the ECM, it changes the timing while the engine runs. At least, it is supposed to. You can't really emulate that function by changing the timing with the distributor position.



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Ben in KY

07-02-2003 10:42:12




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 Re: Re: Re: H- hauler in reply to Steve from Mo - maybe..., 07-02-2003 07:15:19  
It seems like thoes engines have a "spout" lead you have to disconnect to time the engine. Then if it runs bad when reconnected there is an electrical/electronic problem.
Of course I could be mistaken.



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CNKS

07-02-2003 06:43:33




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 Re: H- hauler in reply to Dave42-H, 07-02-2003 05:17:51  
Your vehicle has "Electrontic Spark Control"--spark is retarded when the sensor detects preignition--perhaps the unit has failed--I don't know anything more about it.



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FC

07-02-2003 06:28:56




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 Re: H- hauler in reply to Dave42-H, 07-02-2003 05:17:51  
Another suggestion to look for. Check for vacuum leaks. Make sure all the vacuum lines are on and not cracked/leaking. Also, if it has an EGR valve check it as well. These are famous for going bad and leaking. What you describe is typical symptoms of either a very lean condition or as Bob M said your timing is off. Sometimes it is easier to simply replace all the vacuum lines if in doubt. It only takes a minor crack to cause the problem you describe. Good luck.

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Bob M

07-02-2003 05:54:46




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 Re: H- hauler in reply to Dave42-H, 07-02-2003 05:17:51  
Dave - Might be this: Had the same problem along with lack of power, overheating and poor gas mileage on my father in law's '84 GMC w/350 4bbl. After several months messing with timing, carburetion, emission controls, premium gas, etc we finally discovered the harmonic balancer had failed. Timing marks were off a good 40 degrees due to the balancer's outer rim gradually "slipping" around the inner hub.

After determining/marking the actual TDC (by pulling the plug on #1 and using a piece of wire to feel the piston location) then resetting the timing to the new mark,the engine once again engine ran fine.

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