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3,000,000th IH tractor

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Tom Graham

06-26-2003 20:29:33




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Buddy of mine heard that the 3 millionth IH tractor built was a 300 utility. He's wondering how he can find out, as he has a 300U. I know the 1 millionth was an M, and it's supposed to be in this neck of the woods somewhere(MN), but I don't know anything else about 2 or 3 mil. Any help?




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Sid

06-28-2003 03:27:45




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 Re: 3,000,000th IH tractor in reply to Tom Graham, 06-26-2003 20:29:33  
I have a copy of "International Harvester World" published December 1947 which was a special issue covering the exposition held to celebrate Harvesters 100years in Chicago - 1847 to 1947. The exposition was held at Burnham Park between October 8 and November 2. One of the exhibits on display was the millionth FARMALL tractor, a model M. Unfortunately, there were no details as to when it actually came off the production line. Thought this may be of interest with respect to all the production figures being put forward.
Slightly off the subject, there was also on display what the caption of the photo described as being "the first successful mechanical cotton picker" and was a principal attraction. Sid.

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Guy Fay

06-27-2003 04:57:11




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 Re: 3,000,000th IH tractor in reply to Tom Graham, 06-26-2003 20:29:33  
The 3,000,000th IH tractor was International 300 Utility serial #501.

The M that everybody knows about may not have been the 1,000,000 IH tractor, but instead the 1,000,000 FARMALL- bit of a difference.



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Bermuda Ken

06-27-2003 05:44:05




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 Re: Re: 3,000,000th IH tractor in reply to Guy Fay, 06-27-2003 04:57:11  
That's right. The 1950 M was the 1 millionth Farmall built tractor. The Farmall plant made its 2 millionth tractor in Dec of 1978. It was a model 1086.

If the 1950 M was the 1 millionth Farmall built tractor, it took 26 years to make the first million and 28 years to build the second million.
Looks like Farmall had a pretty constant production pace.

Also, if the 1950 M was the 1 millionth IH tractor of all time and the 300 utility (built 1955) was the 3 millionth tractor, how did IH build 2 million tractors in 5 years time?? They didn't.

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Steve - IN

06-27-2003 05:36:01




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 Re: Re: 3,000,000th IH tractor in reply to Guy Fay, 06-27-2003 04:57:11  
I wonder if the guy did the counting was in PR or accounting (or if he worked for Arthur Anderson on the Enron account; in which case PR and accounting are one in the same).

Reason I say this is: A quick count of the numbers produced on this page:
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gets me from 15-30's to Super letter series and totals about 2.5 million tractors by about '54.

Number 501 300U was built around '56 or '57, I suppose. Next milestone was around '65 with the 4 millionth being an 806, I read.

Question is: if it took ~8 years to make a million tractors from ~'57 to ~65, where did half a million tractors come from in the two to three year '54 to '57 time period? My guess is that some foreign built tractors might be included in the totals -- or, the decline in IH production starting around 1960 is more dramatic than I'd imagined. Anybody got a good handle on this?

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Guy Fay

06-27-2003 15:29:11




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 Re: Re: Re: 3,000,000th IH tractor in reply to Steve - IN, 06-27-2003 05:36:01  
Foreign production of tractors began in 1937 in Germany and really started to get some big numbers in the late 1940s. I-300 #501 was built in 1955.

The webpage you list doesn't come even close to the different models of tractors produced in that time frame even in the U.S. Titan 10-20s were produced in signifigant numbers, as were the Mogul 8-16 and 10-20. W-4s and W-6s are completely missing, as are the post-1938 crawlers (which were included in the IH numbers).

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Steve - IN

06-27-2003 18:05:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 3,000,000th IH tractor in reply to Guy Fay, 06-27-2003 15:29:11  
Ah so,
Danke, merci and abrigato - that should cover German, French and Portuguese/Brazilian production.



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Hugh MacKay

06-27-2003 03:40:47




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 Re: 3,000,000th IH tractor in reply to Tom Graham, 06-26-2003 20:29:33  
Tom: I doubt that IH reached the 3 million mark by the era of the 300. It took 40 years to reach the first million. I will admit by the time that M was produced tractors numbers manufactured per year had almost reached its peak. However by mid 1950s numbers were on the decline. Just a quick look at production numbers in 1950 total production of A, C, H and M was only 102,000, my guess is that wuld be half of it, or about 200,000 per year. By 1955 I doubt that figure was much over 125,000.

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Bermuda Ken

06-27-2003 05:33:59




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 Re: Re: 3,000,000th IH tractor in reply to Hugh MacKay, 06-27-2003 03:40:47  
The tractor production count that IH used in determing the various Millionth tractors was a TOTAL of IH's WORLDWIDE tractor production, not just what was made in the USA. IH had tractor factories all over the world.

With thier tremendous production volume capability and wordlwide marketing, it was not hard for IH to make a million tractors compared to other companies.



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Heath

06-27-2003 18:58:02




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 Re: Re: Re: 3,000,000th IH tractor in reply to Bermuda Ken, 06-27-2003 05:33:59  
I think the tons of Cub Cadets were included also but I am not positive. After all they are tractors!



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Hugh MacKay

06-27-2003 21:00:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 3,000,000th IH tractor in reply to Heath, 06-27-2003 18:58:02  
Ken: You guys still haven't convinced me. World wide IH's big market was still North America. IH did not enjoy the market share across Europe And Austrailia as it did here.

Farmall figures North America for the following A, C, H and M or Supers which ever was being built that year 1950 102,000; 1952 68,000 and then 100, 200, 300 and 400 in 1955 79,000 Further in 1957 130, 230, 350 and 450 at 46,000. And we all know the Farmalls were the big sellers. I question if IH ever hit 4,000,000 farm tractors world wide.

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Guy Fay

06-27-2003 21:42:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 3,000,000th IH tractor in reply to Hugh MacKay, 06-27-2003 21:00:07  
Also take a look at your 1950 number- they were making tons of Cubs, the total IH production for Cub, Super A, C, H, M, was quite a few thousand bigger.

The actual one millionth IH tractor probably was built in the 1930s (I've never seen mention of this one, although they did celebrate numbers of individual tractors like the 100,000 Farmall, 100,000 10-20, etc). 2,000,000 was probably in the late 1940s, 3,000,000 was in 1955 (article in Tractor Farming if you want documentation of that particular one).

I seem to remember a decal for the St. Dizier France factory celebrating 300,000 tractors produced there by 1976 or something like that- anyone have a better memory? And that was certainly the lowest producing European factory by a bunch. I do wonder if the IH-India joint venture tractors were included in the numbers.

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Guy Fay

06-27-2003 21:33:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 3,000,000th IH tractor in reply to Hugh MacKay, 06-27-2003 21:00:07  
Actually, IH had a HUGE market share in Europe 1960-1980. They were the number two producer of tractors on the continent, And Europe had lots of small farms, lots of small tractors. The European factories also did a trmendous export market. Australia was a small market, but IH did very well there percentage wide. Cub Cadet was not included in the traditional numbers.

In addition, starting in 1955, the International 300 and later 350 Utilities did very well compared to the Farmalls- maybe not as many, but very respectable.

We're not making up the numbers- IH advertised tractors as being this number produced. 5 millionth was in 1974. You want to say IH was lying, fine, whatever trips your triger.

But all those "Minor" models, and there were hundreds of them, do build up to some pretty big numbers. Count just the -4 and -6 tractor total including the Supers- I don't think you hit 100,000, but you come close.

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MJD

06-28-2003 01:24:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 3,000,000th IH tractor in reply to Guy Fay, 06-27-2003 21:33:55  
Guy - Yes, lots of small farms ..... and it is still that way the last 2 years we were over in Europe. I did see a lot of Case-IH over there too, even took photos. Beautiful country and farms !!!! Terrific land ! Greenery all over ...



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Bermuda Ken

06-27-2003 19:24:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 3,000,000th IH tractor in reply to Heath, 06-27-2003 18:58:02  
The Cub Cadets were NOT included in IH's tractor production count. They were originally designated as Industrial tractors, and later classifed as a consumer product.



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Hugh MacKay

06-27-2003 21:25:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 3,000,000th IH tractor in reply to Bermuda Ken, 06-27-2003 19:24:06  
Ken: I just posted a responce to you, in a rush and it is up on page a couple of posts.



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