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IH HC 460 Utility... What does HC Mean? Is it rare

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Matt

06-12-2003 20:07:50




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I know someone with an IH 460 Utility with serial numbers that start with HC... Is this similar to the rare HU (high utility) models? Are they the same thing? Someone told me that high utilitys start with HU, so I'm not sure if this HC is rare or the same thing as the HU. Thanks.




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Matt

06-16-2003 07:50:17




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 Re: IH HC 460 Utility... What does HC Mean? Is it in reply to Matt, 06-12-2003 20:07:50  
I just checked the serial number on this tractor in question and it has a "HC" stamped on the upper right corner of the plate, and then the serial number 5440-Y is more towards the bottom of the plate. I wonder how many of these were produced? Does 5440 mean that this was the 5,440th one made? Does the "Y" mean anything? Thanks!



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Hugh MacKay

06-13-2003 14:46:41




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 Re: IH HC 460 Utility... What does HC Mean? Is it in reply to Matt, 06-12-2003 20:07:50  
Matt: I think HC is the proper terminology here not HU. HC stands for High Crop. I am not sure on this, just have seen them refered to as High Crop, in a couple of articles I have on them.



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Harold H

06-13-2003 06:31:57




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 Re: IH HC 460 Utility... What does HC Mean? Is it in reply to Matt, 06-12-2003 20:07:50  
The International High Clear Utility has the Farmall type rear axles and 38"wheels on the rear and a taller front axle but still has the shorter utility wheelbase and utility type seating position. They were built in much smaller numbers than either the Farmall or the regular International models so they are not real common which some might interperate as being rare in most areas.

Harold H



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Hugh MacKay

06-13-2003 18:13:58




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 Re: Re: IH HC 460 Utility... What does HC Mean? Is in reply to Harold H, 06-13-2003 06:31:57  
Harold: Why not answer the question Matt asked. It was quite clear to me he knew what a high utility or high crop is. He knew it was a utility with live axles and 38" Farmall wheels. So which is the tractor called HIGH UTILITY OR HIGH CROP. You were a dealer, You know the answer, I am only guessing,but at least I am guessing the answer to his question You must have gone on to a career in politics, That is the way they operate, answer the question they wish you had asked rather than the question you asked. OH never mind, I have seen salesmen act like that also.

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Harold H

06-15-2003 15:40:26




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 Re: Re: Re: IH HC 460 Utility... What does HC Mean in reply to Hugh MacKay, 06-13-2003 18:13:58  
Hugh,

You don't have to be a politician to call it whatever you want. The IH books called it High Clear. Actually the word utility is not even in the official description although it may be written on the side of the tractor. It is a "460 International High Clear". (In some descriptions IHC wrote high clear and in other descriptions they wrote out high clearance). The previous model was different, being called a "350 International High Utility". When the 504 series came out it carried the same tradition as the 460 calling its high clear utility simpally a "International 504 High Clear". However, when the 544 came out the word high was dropped altogether and the 544 high clear utility was called the "544 International Row Crop". It is kind of like the IHC W series tractors. In our area we called them "wheel tractors". In your area I think you called them "standard tractors" and in some areas they call them "wheatland tractors". I'm sure in lots of areas the high clear tractors were called "high crop". Untill this forum came along, I had never hear a Farmall V series called a "vegetable tractor" which was apparrantly common in lots of areas. We always just considered that V meant high clear. Does this answer the question Hugh?

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Hugh MacKay

06-15-2003 16:24:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: IH HC 460 Utility... What does HC in reply to Harold H, 06-15-2003 15:40:26  
Harold: It answers my question, so it is very likely the 350 had prefix of HU meaning high utility and the 460 had a prefix HC meaning high clear.

Yes we did refer to the W series tractors as standards. I had never heard the vegetable slant on the V series of tractors. These high clear tractors never came into my area so not very familiar with them other than I knew the letter series were V and I knew what it was. Actually we did see some AV and SAV. Am I right in assuming the numbered series Farmalls in this same configuration would have been called high crops or high clear?

It is a wonder we don't have more disputes of understanding on forum. When I started school 55 years ago we never talked with too many people more than a 10 mile radius. Here we are just a bit over a half century later discussing these old tractors around the globe. Even though we speak the same language in many cases, there have been wide variations in terminology.

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K.B.

06-15-2003 18:17:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IH HC 460 Utility... What does in reply to Hugh MacKay, 06-15-2003 16:24:50  
I might be stirring things back up here, but according to Ken Updike's book "IH Tractors 1955-1985", there was a 460 High-Utility that had "HU" stamped on the model number plate.



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Harold H

06-16-2003 05:40:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IH HC 460 Utility... What in reply to K.B., 06-15-2003 18:17:48  
I'm not trying to stir up anything. I don't know what was stamped on the serial plate. It could have been HU or HC as all of these models were high utility tractors but the IH descriptions call them: 350 International High Utility, 460 International High Clear, (early 460's might have been called High Utility since that was used for the 350 but I don't have that anywhere in writing), 504 International High Clear, and 544 International Row Crop. In the Farmall tractors, after the letter series V's, all Farmall high clearance tractors were called Farmall High Clear.

Harold H

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Hugh MacKay

06-15-2003 18:35:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IH HC 460 Utility... What in reply to K.B., 06-15-2003 18:17:48  
KB: Not going to stir things up with me. I didn't know in the beginning and apparently still don't. Sometimes you learn something, sometimes you don't.



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Matt

06-16-2003 07:57:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IH HC 460 Utility... W in reply to Hugh MacKay, 06-15-2003 18:35:49  
I just checked the serial number on this tractor in question and it has a "HC" stamped on the upper right corner of the plate, and then the serial number 5440-Y is more towards the bottom of the plate. I wonder how many of these were produced? Does 5440 mean that this was the 5,440th one made? Does the "Y" mean anything? Thanks!



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K.B.

06-16-2003 10:48:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IH HC 460 Utility. in reply to Matt, 06-16-2003 07:57:22  
Serial numbers stared at 501, so you've got the 4,940th 460 Utility built, a 1959 model. It looks like they built around 11,000-12,000 460 Utilities, and there is probably no way of telling how many of those were HC's or HU's. The Y means it has a 12 gallon per minute hydraulic pump, a common option.



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barterbart

05-05-2005 23:39:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IH HC 460 Util in reply to K.B., 06-16-2003 10:48:21  
I saw your reply on the meaning of the serial number letter codes. I have a 460 with 'S - Y' stamped after the serial number. You said the 'Y' meant 12gpm hydraulic pump; could you tell me the significance of the 'S'?
Thanks in advance



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