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Picking with 264's (engines, that is)

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Tim Malin

06-26-2002 16:03:36




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Hey guys. I have a question to ask of you. I am looking at picking corn, and have a Super M and 400, both with the 264 engine. How do these things handle pickers? There's a New Idea 322? on the 400, and an International 234 for the Super M. I know you guys have had MUCH more picking expirence than I have, and would like to know your input of power, fuel consumption, and tractor preferences, etc. Of course, I would love to move up the ranks in tractor size, but the power of the almighty dollar out powers the power of the almighty 264. Thanks guys.

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dave north

09-27-2006 09:30:21




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 Re: Picking with 264's (engines, that is) in reply to Tim Malin, 06-26-2002 16:03:36  
my dad used a 2me and a 2mh on a 1945 model H tractor. he picked a couple hundred acres a year for several years with the H. always used low gear but it went evry round till the corn was finished. i bought a new 560D in 1963 and started using the 2mh on it. huge difference in power.[smiling]



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JCM

06-27-2002 14:43:42




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 Re: Picking with 264's (engines, that is) in reply to Tim Malin, 06-26-2002 16:03:36  
WHICH ONE IS THE MORE HANDY TO HAVE AROUND,DO YOUR CHORES WITH ,JUMP ON AND DO SOMETHING QUICK. THATS THE ONE YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE IT ON. EITHER ONE WILL DO THE JOB THOUGH!



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Dr. Evil

06-27-2002 05:48:46




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 Re: Picking with 264's (engines, that is) in reply to Tim Malin, 06-26-2002 16:03:36  
Dad mounted His 2M-E picker on His '51 M... picked about 200 acres of corn every year for 20 yrs... Tractor had the Super M kit in it, 264 CID... and He picked in Our hills in 2nd & 3rd gear pulling even the big 175 bu. wagons. If I had the choice I'd use the 400 over the Super M, but it'll probably be a little harder to mount/dismount the picker with the LPTO & TA levers. It was always spooky watching that picker swallow up the M as you mounted it!

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randy hall

06-26-2002 20:42:57




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 Re: Picking with 264's (engines, that is) in reply to Tim Malin, 06-26-2002 16:03:36  
i use a super mta with a new idea 322 and it works swell we pick enough corn to fill the cribs for cattle feed then shell the rest, thats a lot quicker and easier. the 400 would be nicer because of the live pto, power would be about the same depending on the condition of the engine. the power steering issue doesn't mean much because with the picker on there is less wieght on the front of the tractor so it steers easier. i always thought i wanted a 234 picker because of the stripper plate rolls until i got some liturature on them and found out they weigh about twice as much as a new idea picker and i doubt that they would husk as good as the new idea.

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joe

06-26-2002 20:22:24




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 Re: Picking with 264's (engines, that is) in reply to Tim Malin, 06-26-2002 16:03:36  
I pick with a 400 and a New Idea picker, like the other guy's it is two row with both a husking and shelling bed - we only use the husking one though, the shelling one is rusted up. I would recommend the 400 for picking - it will handle the picker with finesse. The picker will run the engine hard even in first gear. I go in first with the TA in high. Having the TA will make things easier for you, and the IPTO is WORLDS better for picking than a transmission driven one, you can put the clutch in and keep the picker going if you get in a heavy spot, or need to empty it out. We have real bad hills too, and boy that power steering is nice. It would make for real long days if you didn't have it. And the 400 hydraulics will handle the picker with no problem. Pickers are a real experience to run, nice and loud too with all those chains. Have fun!

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TP from Central PA

06-26-2002 19:31:10




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 Re: Picking with 264's (engines, that is) in reply to Tim Malin, 06-26-2002 16:03:36  
We have a NI mtd. picker that we use on our M-TA. I couldn't tell you the number of the NI, but it is a newer one with the big husking bed, and we also have a sheller for it too. We use it on about 20 acres of corn each year. We only pick ear corn with it since the sheller is dusty and it is easier to borrow the neighbor's UNI system. The picker works well on the M-TA, although our M-TA has powersteering, the T/A doesn't work on the low side, and we never had a speed problem. The only problem we have is getting enough hydraulic pressure to pick the unit up when the oil gets warm. We have stopped the problem by putting cylinder blocks on the cylinders so you don't have to wait as long for the unit to lift. We however have ran the picker on our 560 the past 2 years, that is a dream to run, but I prefer the M-TA for no apparent reason. I would put it on your SM, that way you have the 400 for other uses that may require the T/A and fast hitch, Like chopping stalks and such.

Just a thought

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The Dukester

06-26-2002 18:17:34




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 Re: Picking with 264's (engines, that is) in reply to Tim Malin, 06-26-2002 16:03:36  
Many years ago, we used a Super MTA on a 2ME mounted picker and it worked fine. The tractor did have power steering, an add on unit, and that was nice for sure, but the tractor handled the job just fine here in southern Michigan hills. With the TA you've got an advantage. Modern corn population requires power,no question, you just can't get in a hurry, and pick the corn when it's ready.



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Bob M

06-26-2002 16:39:42




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 Re: Picking with 264's (engines, that is) in reply to Tim Malin, 06-26-2002 16:03:36  
Tim - My father in law picked 400 acres of sweet corn a season for many years with a 234 mounted on a Super M. It really made the tractor bark - especially when pulling the Field Hand buggy with 3 tons on board - but it got the job done. The Super M had been hot rodded - developed 55+ HP on the dyno - but was still easy on gas and never overheated.

Later he switched the picker to an Oliver 1650 primarily because of it's power steering and powershift transmission. Was much easier on the operator than the SM. However the SM made a good picking tractor.

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Tim Malin

06-26-2002 16:47:29




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 Re: Re: Picking with 264's (engines, that is) in reply to Bob M, 06-26-2002 16:39:42  
Thanks, Bob. It's nice to know that someone did it without power steering. Were there any hills your dad had to manuver on? I'm all hills here, and wondering if PS is a nessessity or can I pass by.



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Bob M

06-26-2002 19:05:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Picking with 264's (engines, that is) in reply to Tim Malin, 06-26-2002 16:47:29  
Tim - We're mostly hills here - small but steep. The SM was fitted with a single, wide front tire. It was tough to steer when turning around in a headland and maneuvering to unload. But while actually picking it was managable. Adding power steering is not a necessity, but it certainly will make life easier on the operator.

Another thought: Would recommend the 400 over the SM for it's TA and live PTO. These make it a lot easier to work thru hard spots, rough ground, etc. than with the fixed gear and ground-speed PTO of the SM.

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