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46 bale pickup cylinder broken

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zldwest

06-11-2007 19:18:49




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I bought a 46 baler last fall and after some fidling with it decided to bale a few acres this last weekend. I'm still figuring out the knotter but was making progress until something broke in the pick up cylinder and it froze up and quit turning. I can rotate it a bit each way but it keeps locking up then. I think I might have a broken roller piece catching inside it. I've tried to figure out how to take the sides off the cylinder to get at the rollers that control the spring teeth angle. I unscrewed the clutch spring and took out the shear pins but can't budge the clutch and gear assembly. Also can't seem to find a way to get the side panels to move or come off.

It's tight and awkward to try working on the thing!

I've looked at the IH parts lists to try to figure out how to disassemble the darn thing but just can't get it figured out. I'd sure appreciate any help anyone can give me!

From doing some research it sounded like the 46 was a pretty good baler, and the farmer who sold it claimed it was. But now while working on it, I've found lots of cobbled up repairs on it and have to wonder if I messed up?

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Delbert

06-12-2007 07:48:57




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 Re: 46 bale pickup cylinder broken in reply to zldwest, 06-11-2007 19:18:49  
Forgot to mention that if the twine bills are wore out they can cause a lot of problems.



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Delbert

06-12-2007 07:46:38




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 Re: 46 bale pickup cylinder broken in reply to zldwest, 06-11-2007 19:18:49  
I would bet a tooth is caught in one of the guards. As for the tieing make sure the twine knifes are razor sharp and adjusted to cut the twine at the right time. On my baler i had to add several thin washers between the knife and the thing that holds the knife. One side i added three on top and two on bottom. The other side i added three top and bottom. Make sure the springs are working on the hay dogs top and bottom. Thats the things you hear each time the plunger goes in they hold the hay and keep it from falling back when the plunger is out. I know clear as a bucket of muddy water. Another thing don,t run the baler to fast about 55 to 60 strokes per mintue. Keep baler full but not crowded.

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Karl Hamson

06-12-2007 07:31:42




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 Re: 46 bale pickup cylinder broken in reply to zldwest, 06-11-2007 19:18:49  
I has a similar problem with my 46. Turned out that the cam track had worn right through and one of the cams was going through the worn track, causing the whole thing to sieze up. They are not easy to work on. I found the best was to remove the entire pickup, unbolting it from where it pivots underneath by the axle. From memory this is a welded up assembly and the only way we could get at the cams and track was to torch it apart. We then made up a new cam track strip from cold rolled steel and welded it in. Then welded the pickup back together.

Before you get in to ripping it all apart try taking the drive chain off and see if it will turn then. The problem could be in the drive chain assembly which tends to get overlooked when greasing as you have to crawl under the baler to get at it.
Good luck! Karl

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zldwest

06-12-2007 18:56:03




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 Re: 46 bale pickup cylinder broken in reply to Karl Hamson, 06-12-2007 07:31:42  
Well Karl wins on what went wrong. The cam track broke and one of the rollers slid through and got caught. I was able to take off an inside cover to see what was happening.

Thanks for all the ideas.

Larry



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zldwest

06-12-2007 11:07:24




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 Re: 46 bale pickup cylinder broken in reply to Karl Hamson, 06-12-2007 07:31:42  
Thank you all for the replys.

I did check that one of the spring teeth wasn't catching and also took off the drive chain to the cylinder. I can rotate the cylinder less than 1/4 turn and it seems to hit something hard and stops, does it both ways. I can feel four of the five cam rollers on the ends of the pickup teeth bars by poking my little finger in through some slots. So that's why I was thinking maybe one of the rollers busted and it's catching inside.

I thought I could pull off the clutch assembly and take off a side plate to access the area. But so far I haven't been able to budge the clutch parts or get the side cover to move. Darn, I'd sure hate to have to cut it apart to get inside to fix it!

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CHUCK46

06-11-2007 20:33:02




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 Re: 46 bale pickup cylinder broken in reply to zldwest, 06-11-2007 19:18:49  
Hi, Before you take anything more apart check every finger. The most common problem is that a finger gets bent to the side a little and locks itself into a band. Other than that it rides on a ball bearing on each end and has a cam with rollers on the inside end but they seldom cause trouble unless it has bailed at least 300,000. Good Luck, Chuck



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CENTAUR

06-11-2007 19:59:48




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 Re: 46 bale pickup cylinder broken in reply to zldwest, 06-11-2007 19:18:49  
I tend to believe that the farmer who sold it to you when he said it(WAS)a good baler.CENTAUR



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