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scotty- mn

06-10-2007 13:20:09




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I would like to get another ten horse out of my 560d. I know where the torque screw is. My question is how much to turn it for around ten horse and which way to turn it cw or ccw? Thanks Scotty




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billde

06-10-2007 20:27:57




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 Re: turn up 560 in reply to scotty- mn, 06-10-2007 13:20:09  
1/4 turn counterclockwise won't hurt a thing.



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Armand Tatro

06-10-2007 17:30:54




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 Re: turn up 560 in reply to scotty- mn, 06-10-2007 13:20:09  
According to the I@T book the 560D and 660D share/use the same engine. I can't rember the hp. diference but the 660 has maby 10 more hp and a bigger radiator and a bigger/heavier rearend. The main killer of rearends is when plowing the furrow wheel spins off a hard lump and regains traction with a jerk. Knowing this and being carefull an extra 10 hp. should not be a problem unless something is ready to break and it might break even if you don't increase the hp. Any questions just ask. Armand

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Retired wrench

06-10-2007 21:31:37




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 Re: turn up 560 in reply to Armand Tatro, 06-10-2007 17:30:54  
I would agree with the canuc,I had a customer that had a land hitch and went thru three rear ends. Each time he was told "this is the latest upgrade" And he was farming sand. When they put a truck motor ahead of a M rear end it didn't work. RW



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Wardner

06-10-2007 20:36:17




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 Re: turn up 560 in reply to Armand Tatro, 06-10-2007 17:30:54  
The 560 and 660 use the same pump and this can be verified in the parts book. The difference is 20 HP and it is achieved thru rpm. That would 1800 vs 2400. I expect the torque curves are the same thru 1800 rpm. And yes, the injectors are the same as well as the rest of the engine. It should be noted that there are early and late pumps and injectors.



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Hugh MacKay

06-10-2007 19:43:48




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 Re: turn up 560 in reply to Armand Tatro, 06-10-2007 17:30:54  
Armand: It is well docomented tractors catching and slipping did not harm rear ends. We proved that here in Canada using Canadian ring chains on frozen and icy conditions. I've seen my 560 chewing a wheel track 3" deep in hard frozen ice, and let me tell you there was a lot more catch and slip than ever happened on summer fields.

It is well documented heat build up over many hours is what kills powertrains. I've talked with a few technicians, I'm told gears may have broken at the end but heat damage was the culpert. You whind out the hp then add 6,000# to rear wheels and you soon get heat.

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jonnnny2006

06-10-2007 15:53:56




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 Re: turn up 560 in reply to scotty- mn, 06-10-2007 13:20:09  
Turn it up 20 hp! hee hee...let her buck! but don't over do it as the rear end might not take it if you are constantly pulling hard. if your looking for extra power to just get you over the "hump" then you should be fine. I run my gassers to run 200 rpms or so over the rated limit but i never hold them there but it is nice if you need to can it to get up a hill or go through a tough spot. I would guess the same idea would hold true for diesels. I'm sorry i don't know which way to turn it, but have someone who knows as them pumps are tricky (and spendy) if you don't get them dialed in just right! good luck and let her buck!

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Hugh MacKay

06-10-2007 16:33:24




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 Re: turn up 560 in reply to jonnnny2006, 06-10-2007 15:53:56  
jonnnny: I bought a new 560 diesel, one of the last built. Six months after I bought it an IH tachnician and I tried to see how much we could get out of a 560. We had it over 100 hp on the dyno, and turned it back to 90hp and I worked it that way for 17 years and 11,000 hours. Changed the pistons and sleeves at roughly 9,000 hours. The tractor was full out most of those hours, never had any rear end problems, but it was a pto rebuild every two years.

Would I do it again, NO not to a 45 year old engine. YES I would with a new engine.

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retired wrench

06-10-2007 14:02:28




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 Re: turn up 560 in reply to scotty- mn, 06-10-2007 13:20:09  
Those tractors were prone to have rear end troubles. Are you sure you want to do this? RW



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chadd

06-10-2007 18:31:51




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 Re: turn up 560 in reply to retired wrench, 06-10-2007 14:02:28  
They were prone to rear end problems when they were first released. I never heard of any failures after the rear ends were updated. And as Hugh said, most of the failures were out on the plains where they were over weighted. Our 660 was over 110 hp and it was run that way for a long time (at least 12 years). The rear end and transmission were as good when it left as it was when it arrived.



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Hugh MacKay

06-10-2007 16:38:10




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 Re: turn up 560 in reply to retired wrench, 06-10-2007 14:02:28  
RW: Correction, the tractor was prone to being bought by folks that used far too much ballast weight. Properly balasted tractors do not have rear end troubles



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NDS

06-10-2007 18:01:31




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 Re: turn up 560 in reply to Hugh MacKay, 06-10-2007 16:38:10  
What good was all that horsepower if you could not put it to the ground with ballast duals or whatever?



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Hugh MacKay

06-10-2007 19:26:48




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 Re: turn up 560 in reply to NDS, 06-10-2007 18:01:31  
NDS: All tractors need to have some slipage, it's the cushion that protects the powertrain. That one was one of the main bonus that came with rubber tires. Yes, I agree maybe the first 560s should have been beefed up a bit from M, 400 and 450 specs once 6 cylinders were put up front. However, I've seen many a 66 series tractor in the scrapyard, put there by transmission and rear end failure.

The fact remains though we've all seen tractors out of the 60s and 70s with some awesome wheel weights, ie solid concrete that close to filled inside diameter of rim and wheel concave. Not many people realized this, however there was a warning in manual of 1066 and 1466 not to use the 3 lowest gears for maximum drawbar pull. Another one is these 300hp+ articulateds, customer best stick to ballast added at factory, or he may find he has no warrenty if one rear end fails. That one is computerized, and one doesn't add pound for pound front and rear. More rubber my friend is the way to put more hp on the ground.

We ran into a situation here in Canada with Canadian ring chains. IH wouldn't stand behind warrenty on powertrain if those were used on European built tractors, yet they would on US built tractors.

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