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Super A won't start/run

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Mark (PA)

06-09-2007 09:51:17




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Hello, I was hoping some folks could offer some suggestions to help me figure out what is wrong with my Super A. I was mowing a field with my sickle bar 2 days ago and it start spitting and sputtering all of a sudden and then stalled. Couldn't get it started again. Pulled it to the garage thinking a i fouled a plug or 2 even?? bought new plugs and I got it to start but it only ran about 5 minutes at most and died on me again. So I guess the plugs weren't the issue. It sounds like it is missing. Not nice and smooth like usual and I used to be able to crank it 1 or 2 times and she fired right over even in the winter. I cleaned all my plug wire connections and reseated everything.

COudl anyone suggest what I try next? Maybe test the coil or something? (I don't know how I do that exactly).

Any help is greatly appreciated.

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wkfarmall

06-09-2007 17:20:58




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 Re: Super A won't start/run in reply to Mark (PA), 06-09-2007 09:51:17  
my super a did a similar thing and it turned out to be a stripped distributor drive shaft $10-$20 part depending on where you get it.



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Mark (PA)

06-09-2007 12:45:38




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 Re: Super A won't start/run in reply to Mark (PA), 06-09-2007 09:51:17  
Ok guys. UPDATE

I Took the fuel drain out and it seemed to run fine. so I put that back in and took out one plug at a time. Now please note I have to crank start this tractor (no battery). SO while cranking with one hand I am trying to hold the plug against a bolt on the engine to ground it and watch for the light. So it might not be 100% but I think there is an issue. Of the 4 plugs only the number 2 (From the front of the engine) had blue. None of the other 3 had anything. I made sure to crank at least 2 or 3 revolutions on each plug to make sure it should have hit at least one time. at least that is what I would assume. BUt only 1 did. I cleaned the cap and rotor this morning so I don't think that is it but they are obviously not brand new either. a bit burnt on edges and such.

The strange thing is this tractor worked just fine and then bang. I went around the field and it started sputtering then ok then sputter. like I said like it was missing. Then it started missing more and more and then dead.

Now last night when I thought it was a fouled plug. I pulled wires while I did get it running again for those few minutes it did run and number 1 and 3 from the front did not affect the engine at all. SO I assume 2 and 4 were firing at that time. but now it seems like 2 is the only one with spark.

What should I do or try next? I really am lost at this point!

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El Toro

06-09-2007 13:23:06




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 Re: Super A won't start/run in reply to Mark (PA), 06-09-2007 12:45:38  
I would install new plugs to see if they're the problem. You should pull the coil wire from the cap and hold it within 1/8-1/4" of a good ground on the tractor's frame. Then have somone crank the engine and see what the spark looks like. It should be hot and blue. If it is I would replace the cap and rotor. If the fire is weak from the coil wire I would replace the points if they're pitted. I would clean the old points until nice and shiny with some 320 wet or dry. I would replace the condenser to eleminate it. Make sure you check the point gap, it should be at .013". If this doesn't improve the power you may have a weak coil. Hal
PS: The plug wires may need replacing. You need wires with copper wire when using a mag.

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Mark (PA)

06-09-2007 13:51:21




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 UPDATE. PLEASE READ in reply to El Toro, 06-09-2007 13:23:06  
Ok Hal

I removed the center wire from the cap (the other in is into the coil for reference). I could BARELY get anything out of it. I was almost touching the bolt before I got any fire/spark out of the wire and it was a white and very small burst at best. Could the coil be bad? I will check the points later tonight (have to run to the store now) and clean them up and see what they look like. I am not sure I am using the absolute best ground. It is a bolt that is holding on the hydro pump and cap / rotor toward the front. It is also what I used to check the spark plugs on . which only one actually fired.

As I said I will check the points and clean them. this tractor does not have a magneto at least going by the manual pictures it doesn't! so I assume it has whatever else there is!

Thanks so far.

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El Toro

06-09-2007 17:10:29




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 Re: UPDATE. PLEASE READ in reply to Mark (PA), 06-09-2007 13:51:21  
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Let me try that picture again. Hal



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El Toro

06-09-2007 17:08:01




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 Re: UPDATE. PLEASE READ in reply to Mark (PA), 06-09-2007 13:51:21  
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You probably have a distributor and you should have an auto type coil. Are you using a ballast resistor between the ignition switch and the coil?
Does your coil look similar to the one in this picture? Hal
PS: That coil wire may be your problem. I would replace it to rule it out.

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Mark (PA)

06-09-2007 13:29:24




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 Re: Super A won't start/run in reply to El Toro, 06-09-2007 13:23:06  
Hal

THe plugs are brand new. I just put them in this AM so they aren't it. Unless 3 of the 4 are bad! heh. I set the gap to .023 per the manual before putting them in. I think that is what you mean though just a misprint above. I will try the coil wire and see what it does. I'll report back here. Thanks so far!



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old

06-09-2007 13:53:33




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 Re: Super A won't start/run in reply to Mark (PA), 06-09-2007 13:29:24  
I'm guessing you have a mag on it since you say no battery. You might try a new condenser because when they go bad it can do some strange things. Also check your points and shaft slop, the sahft the rotor is on is it moves much you could have worn bushings in the mag and that will also cause funny problems

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Mark (PA)

06-09-2007 16:45:28




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 Re: Super A won't start/run in reply to old, 06-09-2007 13:53:33  
On the battery. To clarify I have a battery in it but it is no good and hasn't been good for years. SOrry about that!

I went to Tractor Supply tonight but they didn't have the condensor I needed in stock. I bought a coil just because I felt I made the trip I darn well should buy something... hehe.

Before I left I check the points and they actually looked really good to me. Pretty clean and such. I sanded them a bit anyway.

OH well Off to the barn to try the new coil and see if that makes any difference.

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SuperA-Tx

06-09-2007 19:14:54




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 Re: Super A won't start/run in reply to Mark (PA), 06-09-2007 16:45:28  
Didnt they have a battery? You should have picked one up.



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old

06-09-2007 17:58:01




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 Re: Super A won't start/run in reply to Mark (PA), 06-09-2007 16:45:28  
Well if its a battery ignition then that could also be more then half the problem. If the chargeing system is going bad then it will not run with out a good battery, unless like I asked it has a mag on it and then no battery needed



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El Toro

06-09-2007 11:47:59




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 Re: Super A won't start/run in reply to Mark (PA), 06-09-2007 09:51:17  
I think its a fuel problem too. Hal



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Janicholson

06-09-2007 11:09:28




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 Re: Super A won't start/run in reply to Mark (PA), 06-09-2007 09:51:17  
Old has it! The fuel supply is most likely. If it comes out of the drain (with the tank turned on), like it was comming out of a small sweetheart soda straw, the supply is not the problem. Catch the gas in a tincan. The coil could be failing, but less likely. JimN



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old

06-09-2007 10:21:58




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 Re: Super A won't start/run in reply to Mark (PA), 06-09-2007 09:51:17  
Sounds like a fuel problem. Pull the drain plug out of the bottom of the carb and make sure you have a good steady flow of gas for say 5 minutes. If you don't then work your way back from there to find what the problem is. Also it would be good to check and make sure you have a good brite blue spark at each of the plugs.

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