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M.Rad.

05-22-2007 04:48:56




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I"m trying to hook up the hydraulics on my 1950 M. the right side has one 1/2 NPT fitting, the left side has two. (I"m trying to run a J.D. 12" grain drill with a double-acting cylinder.) What do these fittings do? Which ones should I be using?

Also, I can"t view more than 14 pages of this board. I"d like to go back further. How is this done? (The archives are set up alpha-numerically, I want to go chronologically)


All help appreciated!
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M.R.

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M.Rad.

05-22-2007 17:07:13




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 Thanks everyone. Well, back to Tractor supply... in reply to M.Rad., 05-22-2007 04:48:56  
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M.Rad.

05-22-2007 11:05:01




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 Thanks everyone. Well, back to Tractor supply... in reply to M.Rad., 05-22-2007 04:48:56  
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georgeky

05-22-2007 07:55:31




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 Re: M hydraulics? in reply to M.Rad., 05-22-2007 04:48:56  
You can place a vent plug in one end of cylinder to relieve pressure and it will work as a one way cylinder. Just remove hose from the end not needed and add the vent plug. I have lots of two way cylinders rigged this way. You can also put on the double set of couplers on the tractor and simply hook the hose up to one without a line coming from tractor and let it breath this way. I have all of mine coming off the right side fitting of tractor.

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RustyFarmall

05-22-2007 04:59:49




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 Re: M hydraulics? in reply to M.Rad., 05-22-2007 04:48:56  
The fitting on the right side of your M, and the forward fitting on the left side are common to each other, you can use either one to lift your drill. The left rear fitting is a "delay" connection, although if you are using just one fitting, the left rear would probably function just as well. Most of us use the fitting on the right side.



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Allan In NE

05-22-2007 06:12:24




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 Re: M hydraulics? in reply to RustyFarmall, 05-22-2007 04:59:49  
Hey Rusty,

Sure don't wanna get in a screamin' match or anything, but all three of those outlets are tied together from the same source oil as far as the lift function goes. They all have the same pressure and all at the same time.

The only "delay" on that left rear outlet is in the way it mechanically releases the drop function only.

In order to get a delay in the lift, a restrictor check has to be used and placed externally in the hose line routing itself.

Allan

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RustyFarmall

05-22-2007 09:29:53




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 Re: M hydraulics? in reply to Allan In NE, 05-22-2007 06:12:24  
Yes, I know. That's why I said it was not very effective, although I beleive the book does describe it as a "delay" function.



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georgeky

05-22-2007 07:47:02




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 Re: M hydraulics? in reply to Allan In NE, 05-22-2007 06:12:24  
Yes Allen that is right. The delay is controled by that external delay valve you speak of. I have one on my 4 row cultivators and it works like a charm. Raise the plows and the front comes up, when they reach full lift it transfers pressure to the valve, thus opening it and allowing the rear set to raise. Then the tractor valve itself controls the timing going down. The IT manual shows the delay valve for this. Page 84 paragraph 527. It also covers the drop retarding valves.

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M.Rad.

05-22-2007 05:04:57




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 Re: M hydraulics? in reply to RustyFarmall, 05-22-2007 04:59:49  
Hi Rusty,
thanks for the reply. So I should use the one on the right, and the forward(upper) on the left, correct? BTW, what is the "delay"?


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M.R.



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Nat 2

05-22-2007 05:51:06




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 Re: M hydraulics? in reply to M.Rad., 05-22-2007 05:04:57  
If you are thinking, "hook one hose from the cylinder to the front left, and hook the other to the right," then you are DEAD WRONG and you will break something!!!!

Both these ports are ONE-WAY hydraulic ports. They both apply pressure at the same time, when you pull the lever. You can't use them with two-way hydraulic cylinders.

If you hook them up, one to each end of a two-way cylinder, you will blow a hose, blow a fitting, blow the cylinder, or worse, blow the belly pump in your tractor!!! DO NOT DO IT!

You need to add a two-way hydraulic valve to the tractor to operate a two-way cylinder. This is fairly easy:

1. Obtain an open-center, dual-acting spool valve from your local Tractor Supply.
2. Mount it in a convenient location on your tractor.
3. Run a hose from the right port to the IN on the valve.
4. Run a hose from the OUT on the valve to the fill pipe. Close the vent on the cap or replace it with a plain pipe cap, or you will have hydraulic fluid EVERYWHERE.
5. Run two short hoses from the work ports on the spool valve to the rear of the tractor. Terminate these in Pioneer quick connects so you can easily disconnect the grain drill from the tractor without spilling large quantites of oil.

To operate, you pull the belly pump lever and lock it back. Use the spool valve lever to run the grain drill up and down.

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randy hall

05-22-2007 07:06:19




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 Re: M hydraulics? in reply to Nat 2, 05-22-2007 05:51:06  
you won't blow anything. it will just deadhead against it's own pressure.



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Nat 2

05-22-2007 09:21:21




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 Re: M hydraulics? in reply to randy hall, 05-22-2007 07:06:19  
That's assuming the hoses, cylinder, and relief valve are all in 100% working order.



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RustyFarmall

05-22-2007 06:12:06




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 Re: M hydraulics? in reply to Nat 2, 05-22-2007 05:51:06  
I totally missed the part about the 2 way cylinder. Am M or an H will not operate a 2 way cylinder without adding some things and making some modifications.



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RustyFarmall

05-22-2007 05:29:19




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 Re: M hydraulics? in reply to M.Rad., 05-22-2007 05:04:57  
Yes, that is correct. The one on the right, and the upper, or forward one on the left, are connected to the same spot on the pump, kind of like a "tee" fitting. The "delay" was intended to be used with a set of cultivators, where part of the cultivator was mounted on the front, and part of it on the rear. The rear part was connected to the delay, so it could stay in the ground a little longer when the cultivator was lifted at the end of the row. The idea was good, in reality there wasn't much difference.

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