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Help Identify This Planter Equipment

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keith stromberg

05-19-2007 08:44:08




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My Grandfather has a Farmall SA since the early 50's With this tractor he received a lot of equipment he never used, and also found a lot in a local dump. He has given me all the equipment and its just pilled up in a barn. I went thru most of it and pulled evey thing I think was for this planter except one of the row markers. Can anyone help me identify this planter? I have found what I think are IH numbers on some of the plates. But nothing on the planter frame. I have searched all over this site and the WWW for a coup[le of days with no luck. Thanks, Keith

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Gene-AL

05-20-2007 09:57:16




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 Re: Help Identify This Planter Equipment in reply to keith stromberg, 05-19-2007 08:44:08  
Keith,
What you show are some of the parts for a McCormick A-177 (Runner) planter for a Farmall Super-A tractor, comparing your pictures to 1951 IH McCormick material.
There is also a battery box top (with round rubber bumpers) for a Super-A, a row marker disc, some mounting hardware, and a gauge shoe attachment (lower right) for the planter. The planter mechanism itself is on top (or is that the bottom) of what appears to be a seed hopper. As others noted, there's also a pulley or PTO safety shield (lower center). The heavy metal frame is the planter toolbar. You also have to have the universal mounting frame (for cultivators etc.) on the tractor to mount & use the planter. The planter drive sprocket is missing from your picture. Chances are it is still on the tractor - inside center left rear wheel bull gear-housing (where a 4-bolt cap normally mounts). You should also have some drive chains for the sprockets.

These planters had a bewildering number of attachments, fertilizer hoppers, seed plates, coulters and other accesories available for specific uses.

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KEITH R. STROMBERG

05-20-2007 12:52:23




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 Re: Help Identify This Planter Equipment in reply to Gene-AL, 05-20-2007 09:57:16  
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Thanks very much for the information all of you!! Its all been very helpful, had A new friend from the web site hear email me some info also and a picture that is very helpful.
The only thing that I know is not at my grandfathers is the chains. Can you still find it any were?
Keith

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georgeky

05-20-2007 17:23:13




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 Re: Help Identify This Planter Equipment in reply to KEITH R. STROMBERG, 05-20-2007 12:52:23  
Chains are available at any equipment dealer, and TSC as well.



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SuperA-Tx

05-20-2007 16:15:08




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 Re: Help Identify This Planter Equipment in reply to KEITH R. STROMBERG, 05-20-2007 12:52:23  
Thanks for shareing that pic Keith. I printed it out just in case I decide to use mine some day. That is if I ever get the right one back. Long story but dont let anyone borrow your stuff.



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SuperA-Tx

05-19-2007 18:49:55




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 Re: Help Identify This Planter Equipment in reply to keith stromberg, 05-19-2007 08:44:08  
Your hillers are #21

The PTO shield is for Super A's and 140's that have a belt pulley.

Right battery box side, looks like a piece missing. The lid is differant from mine but looks the right size. Mine has clips that hold the battery in place but looks like yours has rubber bumpers. Mine might be off a 140 so Im not sure I even have the right one, just found it and used it.

Concerning the planter; I have a #185 that is pretty close to this one but we did have a #169 but I cant find it now. I think I know where it is tho. I have never used them myself so from here on is just what I gather from what I see on yours or mine.

The planter mounts on the two gang arms at the same place as the cultivator stuff does. Should be a solid bar (I think its in the pic) then the rest of the planter attaches to that. May have differant holes in it where you can adjust the depth of the furrow opener. On my 185 it has disks to open the furrow but on your it is opened by the furrow openers that are on there. Should be two of them and they Y off of each other and then between them should be a square or diamond tube that keeps them apart and also where the seed drops. I can see one side of the furrow opener on yours but not sure if the other side is there or not. Right behind that is where the other part you have mounts where the seed goes. On mine there is a chain that goes from the seed hopper to the rear wheel that makes it work. Looking at it from the back of the planter the chain drive is on the right. Looks like you have the lid there for the seed container, thought it was a stepping stone at first. On the back of the planter is a chain that lifts and lowers the back of the planter. I suspect it attaches to the pto arm some way then when its up the wheel dont turn and your seed dont come out. The differant sprockets makes the seeder turn slower or faster thus putting out more or less seed. The three differant seed plates you show are for differant seed. You might find a number on them some where and find out what seed they are for.

I like those furrow openers. I have two New Idea Transplanters that have them. Restoring one of them is my next project.

Thats a rake against the garage door. I seen them around but never found the start button on one. Like the skooter, must be planning on higher gas prices.

OK hope that helps more than confuses.

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georgeky

05-19-2007 19:30:41




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 Re: Help Identify This Planter Equipment in reply to SuperA-Tx, 05-19-2007 18:49:55  
I don't think it is a 185. Isn't that a planter unit that fits a tool bar? I have four 185s on my fast hitch planter and are nothing like that one.



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SuperA-Tx

05-19-2007 20:09:52




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 Re: Help Identify This Planter Equipment in reply to georgeky, 05-19-2007 19:30:41  
What he has isnt a 185 for sure. I cant remember what the 169 we had looked like exactly. I THINK it had the forrow opener just like his shows but I aint for certain. Our 185 clamps onto a tool bar just like his shows to do. Ours for sure dosnt fit the fast hitch, it has a clamp for the tool bar. Maybe someone put a 185 bucket on our planter? All I know is it basicly like Kieth has, Ill check it again tomorrow to see if I see any other numbers on it.

Really only differance in the one we have and the one Kieth shows is that ours has a wide rubber cover wheel in the back verses the split kind of wheel his does. Plus the chain that drives the sprocket has a cover on it.

You see the big square bar in front of the main planter that has the two square plates? Thats what I think is the bar that attaches to the gang arms. Probly attaches with a solid rod and that allows the main planter part to swivel up and down where you can adjust for differant depths.

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georgeky

05-19-2007 21:12:00




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 Re: Help Identify This Planter Equipment in reply to SuperA-Tx, 05-19-2007 20:09:52  
The 185 units were used on lots of planters with tololbars even trailing planters. I know were a two row planter that looks just like his is at, but don't know the model number of it either. I do know that it was for a B. I suppose the 169 you have may be simular.



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SuperA-Tx

05-19-2007 19:13:00




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 Re: Help Identify This Planter Equipment in reply to SuperA-Tx, 05-19-2007 18:49:55  
Saw one more thing,

That rod your have laying on top of the planter with the spring on it is a "pressure rod" used on the back of the tractor when you use the cultivators. Should be two of them, one for each side. I think I saw another one in your pic but not for sure. They attach to the rocker arms. One end should be bnt to make a J shape. The other end is just cut off with a hole in it for a cotter key. Looks like the collar is missing on yours.

If you look in the Tractor Photos under farmall and then search for "Super A" you will find four pics I posted that shows them on my SA.

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georgeky

05-19-2007 13:23:47




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 Re: Help Identify This Planter Equipment in reply to keith stromberg, 05-19-2007 08:44:08  
I didn't find anything with a picture of that planter. I have seen them before, but don't know where. I did find reference to the A-179 and A-180 planters for the Super A, but no pics, so I don't know if they are like this one or not.



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keith stromberg

05-19-2007 15:45:49




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 Re: Help Identify This Planter Equipment in reply to georgeky, 05-19-2007 13:23:47  
Thanks george for taking the time to help! I am still trying to find some info myself but have not been lucky so far. I may try and dig around in all the stuff at my grandfathers tommorow after chruch. it would help if I new what to look for. I really do thank you very much for the help.
Keith



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georgeky

05-19-2007 10:26:51




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 Re: Help Identify This Planter Equipment in reply to keith stromberg, 05-19-2007 08:44:08  
The opening disc were optional, this planter may or may not have had them. The ones in the picture look more like hillers for the cultivators.



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keith stromberg

05-19-2007 11:16:02




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 Re: Help Identify This Planter Equipment in reply to georgeky, 05-19-2007 10:26:51  
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I just picked the hillers up because I needed a set. You can see one hopper in the pic., also there looks to be what is left of a square type hopper. I have the top and bottom. What else do I need to look for in the pile of stuff. I am very green and do not know the names of some of the things mentioned. Also would anyone know a model number so I might beable to find a picture of the setup? I would like to try and make this work om my 140 my Grandfather has a SA which is what this stuff came with. Thanks so very much for the info!!!
Keith

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Weldon K

05-19-2007 19:37:06




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 Re: Help Identify This Planter Equipment in reply to keith stromberg, 05-19-2007 11:16:02  
I have a brochure on the IH 140 tractor that shows a planter like this to be the model no. 180 Front Mounted Planter. I can e-mail a photo of it if you like. Reply if interested.



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keith stromberg

05-20-2007 05:22:16




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 Re: Help Identify This Planter Equipment in reply to Weldon K, 05-19-2007 19:37:06  
Weldon please email the photos to me they will be a big help. Super-A thank you very much for all the help. If you get the chance to look at your set please let me know what you find.
I am going to try and play around with it to day after chruch.
Thanks So Much!!
Keith
strombek@bellsouth.net



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georgeky

05-19-2007 12:07:58




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 Re: Help Identify This Planter Equipment in reply to keith stromberg, 05-19-2007 11:16:02  
Two square pieces in center of picture are part of a battery box for A,B,C,100,130,140,200 and so on. The thing in the lower right corner is the PTO shield from same tractors. I don't know the model number, but may be able to find out. Either the seed box or the fertilize box is not here. Parts of it is. I will look through my old books and see if I can find the model, then you could get a manual for it.

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HAS

05-19-2007 10:07:32




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 Re: Help Identify This Planter Equipment in reply to keith stromberg, 05-19-2007 08:44:08  
That looks like a planter that mounts on an A, Super A or B. It would bolt to the right side of the tractor over the mounting bolts for the lift arms for cultivators and also to two housing bolts forward of that.

The planter is sprocket operated off of the right rear wheel housing, inside. The 4-bolt plate comes off and you bolt the sprocket drive on there instead.

The planter should have the sprocket drive, an idler sprocket, drive shaft and clutch assembly, hopper and plates, feed tube, furrow opening discs cover discs and packer wheel.

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