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M cast iron shift knob, old seat, etc.....

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Patrick martin

05-16-2007 21:12:21




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Just picked up the first of the two M's I bought. It has some neat features that I assume are old and I'm curious as to when it was made.

So far I can't find an actual serial number. The locations given in the serial number directory to the left of this page says to look on the bellhousing and transmission but I aint seeing anything looking like a serial number.

This thing has the old style seat with the toolbox under it along with a cast iron shift knob. Does this make it a WWII production model???? Is it worth a premium and needs a full restoration or can I just do a mechanical restoration, leave the little dents in the sheetmetal, and put her back to work???

I will try to post pics soon.

I also met another guy on the way home that has a bunch of old famalls (around 5 or 6) that he might just let me have to get them out of his way and seems to think that one of the H's he has has a cast iron knob and old style seat too. Mike in CA, aren't you looking for parts from one of these?

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NDS

05-17-2007 07:37:24




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 Re: M cast iron shift knob, old seat, etc..... in reply to Patrick martin, 05-16-2007 21:12:21  
You can not rely on anything being original on a 60 year old tractor. My 1940 M has the metsl shift knob, distribitor, shock seat, gasoline manifold with 2 hole hood, late size PTO shaft and several other things that were not available in 1940.



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chadd

05-17-2007 09:35:12




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 Re: M cast iron shift knob, old seat, etc..... in reply to NDS, 05-17-2007 07:37:24  
You have one of those too? Some people have seen our 1940 M and they always say that we have such a nice later M. That is when I show them the serial number. "That CAN'T be a 1940?" Yep, all late 1939 and 1940 casting codes, but the swinging drawbar with a roller, The 800 psi belly pump, the pressurized radiator (came with non pressurized radiator), distributor ignition (came with magneto), rubber tires (came with steel), late M style pto assembly, Super M or MTA belt pulley (1954 casting date), later style spring-shock absorber seat, and the two way hydraulic attachment. The only thing that gives it away is that it still has the old style front bolster, the dual tank system installed, and the old style gas tank mount.

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Nat 2

05-17-2007 07:33:26




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 Re: M cast iron shift knob, old seat, etc..... in reply to Patrick martin, 05-16-2007 21:12:21  
Serial number is on a thin metal plate that is riveted to the bell housing. That is the large casting bolted to the rear of the engine. Some people mistakenly call it "transmission."

If anything, there should be evidence of the plate there. Four holes or four rivet heads or the leftovers of the plate. If it's been removed you will never know the exact serial number. The engine serial number is on a machined flat spot below the spark plugs. That will be CLOSE, but not the same.

Grab some casting dates. These are cast on the larger pieces like the engine block and are in the format of 11-22-X; two numbers, and a letter. 0 is 1945, N is 1944, M is 1943, L is 1942.

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funderburk1

05-17-2007 03:45:28




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 Re: M cast iron shift knob, old seat, etc..... in reply to Patrick martin, 05-16-2007 21:12:21  
Look for serial # beneath the #1 spark plug on a flat square surface about 3/4 x 2" big.



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Mike CA

05-16-2007 21:34:42




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 Re: M cast iron shift knob, old seat, etc..... in reply to Patrick martin, 05-16-2007 21:12:21  
War model indeed. The knob gives it away. The seat was used for many years.

As far as premium... no. They have an interesting story, but that's about it. A good conidition '42-45 will fetch the same as a same condition '46-53.



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georgeky

05-16-2007 21:25:23




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 Re: M cast iron shift knob, old seat, etc..... in reply to Patrick martin, 05-16-2007 21:12:21  
It is a war model, I think 45 was the last of these. There could have been a few on early 46, but am not sure about that. Check the casting codes and post them and someone will know the approx, year.



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Patrick Martin

05-16-2007 21:50:43




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 Re: M cast iron shift knob, old seat, etc..... in reply to georgeky, 05-16-2007 21:25:23  
I'm going to hit the numbers I see with a brush and post pics tommorrow. It's in peices right now so I'll post what I have that the seller and I haven't taken apart.

Good to hear that I can get it dirty! :) Mudhole here I come!....well at least in a month or two. :)

If I snag that H then I'll let you know Mike.



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