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What to do .....13' disc---560d..??

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Clefus

05-16-2007 17:39:54




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I have an oppurtunity to purchase a 13' transport disc from a friend but have only a 560d to pull it....he said his Oliver of similiar size would grunt with it....I was looking for something in the 10' range..I have been using an 8 footer...can I modify it ( take some blades off??) or something else??....would really like to buy it but dont want to buy a boat anchor....

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Hugh MacKay

05-17-2007 03:04:53




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 Re: What to do .....13' disc---560d..?? in reply to Clefus, 05-16-2007 17:39:54  
Clefus: Lot of different specs out there on any particular width of disk. Size of blade makes a big difference, as well as blade spacing and weight per blade.

You didn't tell us what model the Oliver was. If it was a 1650 or 55 and grunted then your 560 is going to grunt. If it was one of the larger Olivers that grunted, you may have a boat anchor. Then you must consider the current condition of both tractors. Back in 1967 I tried both Farmall 656 and Oliver 1650 on demonstration both new tractors at the time. On brute strength and lugging ability, I've got to give it to the Oliver.

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Hugh MacKay

05-17-2007 04:52:22




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 Re: What to do .....13' disc---560d..?? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 05-17-2007 03:04:53  
Clefus: When I said give it to the 1650 on brute strength and lugging ability, I really should have said it had an edge on 656. The difference was not great, or a run away by any means.



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Clefus

05-17-2007 03:21:39




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 Re: What to do .....13' disc---560d..?? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 05-17-2007 03:04:53  
I believe it was a 1650....

I will have to look at it better to see exactly what it is to give you guys better info....It was setting besides some other equipment when I bought a drill from him.....thanks...



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Clefus

05-17-2007 17:59:01




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 Re: What to do .....13' disc---560d..?? in reply to Clefus, 05-17-2007 03:21:39  
I looked at the disc tonite..... it appears to be an IH 370 ... it has 46 disc blades ( 11 -- 11 ) and (12 -- 12 ) ...they are 19 inches in diam..... he wants $600 he paid $975 2 years ago and hardly used them....
thanks for the replies so far...



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Hugh MacKay

05-18-2007 02:49:48




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 Re: What to do .....13' disc---560d..?? in reply to Clefus, 05-17-2007 17:59:01  
Clefus: You best grab it, those blades were probably 20" when new, which means worn damn little from new. I'll bet those disk blades new would top the $1,200. mark. I always claim tillage equipment if not twisted up, is worth scrap metal price, plus the cost of wear parts you don't need to buy. That in a nut shell, is how good the buy you are getting.

You'll pull it okay, not going to make excessive speeds, and may have to control depth with hydraulics, under some conditions. The 560 will need weight, 16.9x38 tires would help. Even duals. My 560 and 656 came new with 15.5x38 rears, and I replaced both with 16.9x38 at tire change time, that change made a big difference on tillage. In fact I changed the 656 early and used the 15.5 as duals.

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Clefus

05-18-2007 18:37:38




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 Re: What to do .....13' disc---560d..?? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 05-18-2007 02:49:48  
Hugh
I think I'll go get them so I have something better for the fall....

Are those 16.9's on the same rims as the 15.5's were or did you go with another rim size...

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Armand Tatro

05-16-2007 20:06:09




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 Re: What to do .....13' disc---560d..?? in reply to Clefus, 05-16-2007 17:39:54  
Allan in Ne. Did not mean to move you to ks. must be getting late. By the way saw your 284 0n all the rest forum. Looks sharp! Armand



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Armand Tatro

05-16-2007 19:50:17




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 Re: What to do .....13' disc---560d..?? in reply to Clefus, 05-16-2007 17:39:54  
There was one time I was hired do disc 40 A. of bean stubble in the spring. Leaving the wings up(this disc was a 21' with the wings down. It was either a 470 0r 480 and was usually pulled as a 21' with a 560D and a WD45 in a tandom hitch.) and wheels up I was in high 3rd. A friend of mine pulled a 17.5' disc with a 560D and was in high 2nd. Our experence was you did not kill weeds and break clods unless you could lift and through dirt and this took high 3rd. Again this was spring tillage ahead of the planter. Alan: How hard is your ground in ks? Our farm was in central Il. and was heavy black ground. We could 4-14" #16 pull plow 7-8" deep with the 560in high sometimes low 2nd. Armand

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Armand Tatro

05-16-2007 18:12:14




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 Re: What to do .....13' disc---560d..?? in reply to Clefus, 05-16-2007 17:39:54  
If I rember right we had a #37 wheel lift tandom disc 14' wide in heavy black fall plowing. The 560D would pull it in high 3rd. and lift & throw dirt, gangs set shallow to medium and cutting 3to4" deep. We also borrowed a 15' case disc set the same way with no problems. The 15' case was normaly pulled by a 830 case.(this was spring work.) In the fall we would angle the gangs to the the max and disc corn stalks with wheels up with the 560D in high 3rd. with no problems. The 560 was putting out 60 to 65 hp. Under the same conditions the M or the 400 would only pull in 2nd. or high 2nd and felt like you were pulling a 3/14" plow running 8' deep.

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Brownie450

05-16-2007 17:47:32




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 Re: What to do .....13' disc---560d..?? in reply to Clefus, 05-16-2007 17:39:54  
We pulled a 37 IH disc with the 450 & MTA for a number of years. It was 13 foot width, & we never had power problems. The 560 should run away with a 13 footer unless it is a 480 type of disc. You can set the rake angle on the gangs to a less agressive setting to make it pull easier also. Do you have duals on the 560? They help on floatation.



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Clefus

05-17-2007 18:03:46




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 Re: What to do .....13' disc---560d..?? in reply to Brownie450, 05-16-2007 17:47:32  
no duals need to add some weight though



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Allan In NE

05-16-2007 17:47:28




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 Re: What to do .....13' disc---560d..?? in reply to Clefus, 05-16-2007 17:39:54  
A 12' is the perfect sized disc for that tractor, so I don't think it is going to really be over-taxed at 13'.

Drop 'er down into 2nd and I think you'll be just fine.

Allan



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Hugh MacKay

05-17-2007 03:49:51




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 Re: What to do .....13' disc---560d..?? in reply to Allan In NE, 05-16-2007 17:47:28  
Allan: You have a good point, and very few folks ever think of it anymore. I never saw any great advantage in high speed plowing or disking other then you made it more expensive. Cultivators are another kettle of fish but even they have a speed limit.

The first year I had my 5x16 plow I pulled it with 1066, however plowing with 656 reduced the fuel and wear part cost per acre substancially. Sure the 656 was in 2nd gear most of the time, however a 656 in 2nd gear with 5 bottoms plows the same amount of land at the end of the day as a 656 in 3rd gear with 4 bottoms. Bear in mind I am talking sandy loam. if one is plowing heavy clay he may have to reduce each by one bottom.

On my farm I had the ocasional stone, about the size of a basketball, frost kept bringing them up each year. When I convinced my cowboys 3.5 mph was fast enough, we stopped breaking disk blades. The medhod I used to convince them, was give them only enough hp so 3.5 mph was their speed limit. Most disks I've seen doing 5-6 mph, did a decent job of windrowing soil. I used to do a bit of custom combining, and I never liked using my combine header as a land leveller.

I remember one farm in particular, I had done custom work on this land in the 60s. From a field husbandry point of view, probably the smoothest soil surface around. Then a guy got hold of that land that owned a big 4x4 tractor, but couldn't afford any big implements. In ten years he was gone. The new owner ask me to spray this land. I went in there with 36' boom. I couldn't believe land could become so rough in ten years. My 656 was on 72" wheel tread, and I couldn't stop the end of my booms from hitting the ground, even with boom at 3' off ground. Until that time I thought one would need construction equipment to make that much mess.

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CNKS

05-16-2007 17:44:42




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 Re: What to do .....13' disc---560d..?? in reply to Clefus, 05-16-2007 17:39:54  
If you mean a tandem disk, the 560 should do ok, if you mean offset, that is another story.



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