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1937 Farmall F-20 Throttle Problems

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Mpuller44

05-06-2007 16:57:44




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Hi everyone. I have a 37 F-20 that I acquired a few years ago. I finally got it running last year. The tractor seems like it has lots of power, but I don't think the governor is working right. It has almost no throttle response. if it is wide open, throttled down, then opened back up again, it will not rev up. I need to move the throttle back and forth a few times to get it to go. It will pop and fart a few times, backfire, then go. Also, if i put a load on the motor, it falls on its face. It drops rpm's to a certain point, and just hangs there. When I say load, I mean up a slight grade, not even pulling anything. The motor sounds really good, and it was completely gone through before i acquired it. I love the tractor, but can't figure out what is going on. I was told to check the governor weights, and they seem to be free. Any help would be appreciated.

Jonathan

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Bob Kerr

05-08-2007 04:11:29




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 Re: 1937 Farmall F-20 Throttle Problems in reply to Mpuller44, 05-06-2007 16:57:44  
I am not sure if the f-20 has the same gov as the 10-20 does, but I suspect they do. My 10-20 acted up bad when I first got it running and the problem was the Die cast or pot metal "tube" has a spring inside and it was a bit too loose. I just turned the tube a few turns and the spring inside snugged up and it worked perfect after that, and it did govern at low speeds. the Tube is just to the rear of the oil fill cap and lays horizontal. It is about 3 inches long or so.

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LenRahilly

05-07-2007 07:00:19




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 Re: 1937 Farmall F-20 Throttle Problems in reply to Mpuller44, 05-06-2007 16:57:44  
To clarify the "works at full-throttle" problem:
The F-20 governor with the notched pull-rod (like on an F-12 or F-14) is a "variable governor." This governs from just above idle to full-speed. As a practical matter, it means that you can pull a light load (hay rake, for example) in a high gear, throttled back to give a fairly-low speed, and the governor will keep the rpms where you set them.
The early IH governors used on 15-30, 22-36, 10-20, Farmall, F-20, F-30, W-30 were then called "throttling governors" (I hope my memory of the term is right). The only governing action occurs when the throttle is open. What the throttle control does on those tractors is force the governor rod going to the carb (over on the left side of the engine) to a slower position. It really overrides the governor. The springs on the governor weights try to pull the throttle open. When the throttle is moved to a slower position, it is really working against those springs.
The later, "variable governor" operates differently. The throttle control pulls on a spring. There are no springs on the governor weights, so the tension on the throttle control is what determines the engine speed. The governor weights then keep the engine speed very close to where the operator sets it.
If you have a late F-20 operator's manual, you will see an engineering drawing of the later governor. The throttling governor can be seen in older operator's manuals. I have both and would be happy to photocopy and send to anybody interested.
I spent a lot of time on a Farmall and an F-20 with the older governor, and I can tell you that it is a pain in the unmentionable in hilly territory if you are trying to operate in a high gear but throttled back. The governor just doesn't do anything, and the operator has to keep jiggling the throttle. That isn't much fun, as there is a lot of friction in the throttle lever (if you oil it, then it won't stay where you put it!).
Can't help much with the repairs, but I expect the advice other fellows have given is good. That rod going back to the carb has a couple of bushings, I think, and they could be sticking. Everything in a governor has to be free, AND free of play. All work and no play. Looseness in the weights or the various rods and joints results in "hunting." The governor gets out of synch with the demand for more or less power.

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Nebraska Cowman

05-06-2007 17:39:09




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 Re: 1937 Farmall F-20 Throttle Problems in reply to Mpuller44, 05-06-2007 16:57:44  
The original governor operated at full RPM only. But that shouldn't stop it from working once you pull the trottle open. I'd suspect the linkage inside the tube that goes to the carburetor is sticking. The shaft must rotate freely.



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grantl

05-06-2007 18:31:49




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 Re: 1937 Farmall F-20 Throttle Problems in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 05-06-2007 17:39:09  
I didn't know the govenor on F-20s only worked at full throttle. A few years ago I was trying to run a threshing machine with mine and it wouldn't pull it I had pulled the same machine with my "H" in the past easily. Very interesting



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