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Ed Reiter

05-04-2007 18:21:14




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On my 806 diesel, hydraulics to the rear and 3 point stopped working, changed fluids, changed filter even put new o-rings in between pump and center housing and new o-ring in pressure port on outside housing, 3 point lifts but can not support any weight on arms, rear hydraulics still not working, any ideas, please




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dwag

05-05-2007 05:36:00




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 Re: 806 hydraulic problem in reply to Ed Reiter, 05-04-2007 18:21:14  
Check or replace relief valve. RH side of seat housing, 1 1\8 socket to remove. I keep an old one in my box for this purpose.



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Allan In NE

05-05-2007 03:09:25




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 Re: 806 hydraulic problem in reply to Ed Reiter, 05-04-2007 18:21:14  
Ed,

The Vet and I go round and round on this one.

If you can't see anything wrong with the gasket and o-ring, put a pump in 'er. That "weak" lift along with poor remote operation is a classic symptom of a wobbled out rear pump. Especially on a tractor of that age.

Just my opinion,

Allan



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the tractor vet

05-05-2007 06:53:47




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 Re: 806 hydraulic problem in reply to Allan In NE, 05-05-2007 03:09:25  
Well Allen it is like this myself when i am spending someone elses money i test before i spend that is why i have the Flow Rater and all the expencive gages, fittings hose and what have ya . Yes i know not everybody can go out and lay out 3800 bucks for a rebuilt Flow rater or the 6-7 grand for a new OTC flow rater but just to spend 450-650 for a pump and still have the same problem when it was a pice of dirt or a old O/Ring stuck someplace gets customers real unhappy fast. About like working on the new cars and trucks when something goes wrong with the electronics you could become a major stock holder at Auto zone chasen down a bad sensor . or ya can buy a real good scanner to find that ghost for 1200 bucks and find that problem yourself or ya can take it to the dealer and spend 800 and get it fixed and never get your hands dirty. Now as for me i'll spend the 1200 and get my hands dirty. As i know in the end i'll use it again and again . As i have been toyen with the idea of buying one anyhow. If he has someplace that can test it then he is money ahead .

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Allan In NE

05-05-2007 07:22:29




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 Re: 806 hydraulic problem in reply to the tractor vet, 05-05-2007 06:53:47  
Yep, I hear ya and sure understand your thinking on the matter; not arguing that point in any way.

I dunno. Maybe it was from all those years of working on automatic transmissions that did it for me. Very heavy on the hydraulics and heavy on the valving.

Our "Human nature" erally wants to find that bad/stuck valve, defunct regulator or the leaking o-ring instead of shelling out the big money for a pump.

Trouble is, the "problem child" is "usually" the old pump that wears out. :>)

Allan

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Ed Reiter

05-05-2007 03:31:30




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 Re: 806 hydraulic problem in reply to Allan In NE, 05-05-2007 03:09:25  
Can I have pump tested to check pressure



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Allan In NE

05-05-2007 04:13:03




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 Re: 806 hydraulic problem in reply to Ed Reiter, 05-05-2007 03:31:30  
You sure can.

The shops use a "Flow-Rater" plugged into one of the remotes and they go thru a long laundry list of checks to find out exactly what the heck is wrong with the hydraulic system. It checks pressures, it checks gallons per minute flow-vs-rpm, it checks the pressure regulator and in general, it just plain checks it all.

The Tractor Vet, Owen or any shop guy can give you all the blow-by-blow details of how it is done.

All I am saying is that the odds are about 100 to 1 that at the end of the day you'll still need a pump. It is the main wear point.

Certainly, if you don't want to gamble the price of that pump, by all means, haul the tractor to town or have a "Red Mech" bring his machine out and have the system tested.

Or, perhaps you could bolt in a known "good" pump?

Hope ya get 'er goin',

Allan

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the tractor vet

05-04-2007 21:02:34




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 Re: 806 hydraulic problem in reply to Ed Reiter, 05-04-2007 18:21:14  
I have know idea as i can not check it for myself on the keyboard . Did ya check and make sure that you did not shear the Key on the pump?????



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Ed Reiter

05-05-2007 03:30:10




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 Re: 806 hydraulic problem in reply to the tractor vet, 05-04-2007 21:02:34  
key is good



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Ed Reiter

05-05-2007 13:26:00




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 Re: 806 hydraulic problem in reply to Ed Reiter, 05-05-2007 03:30:10  
Pulled filter back out I found a bolt about 1/2"x2" laying in tube above filter any ideas could something come un-hooked ??



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Owen Aaland

05-05-2007 13:47:20




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 Re: 806 hydraulic problem in reply to Ed Reiter, 05-05-2007 13:26:00  
The bolt is quite likely from the park lock pivot bracket on the underside of the range transmission cover. Not too unusual to see one of the three bolts missing when the cover is removed for service.

As far as the hydraulic problem, how quickly did the problem occur? A stuck pilot operated relief valve failure usually occurs when the system has been working fine and then just quits completely without warning. A blown oring or pump seals will leave you with a little flow but not a usable system. A pump that wears out will generally give warning by losing pressure or flow over a longer period of time. A worn pump is also RPM dependent. It would be good if you could swap in a known good relief valve before pulling the pump.

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