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the tractor vet

05-04-2007 17:30:20




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Plowen is all done . Going to start disken and planten tomarrow should be all done by the time the rain sets in tuesday.




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Tom Windsor

05-05-2007 05:48:56




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 Kicking Bee hive in reply to the tractor vet, 05-04-2007 17:30:20  
Well, It looks to me that my question was like kicking a bee hive. They no till cotton, corn, wheat and soy beans around here on rotation...not sure which follows which. Chickens are commercially grown here also so there is a lot of C/S put on the land. I have seen them out there with the weed killer. I do not know any of the answers to the killing of bees, compacting the soil, comparison of yields, but that will give me something to investigage...the only thing I am sure of is that it has substantially contributed to control of soil erosion in my area and I suspect that my grandfather would have done it rather than look up the south end of a team of mules going north 12 hours per day.

If here is any other question that I can ask to get your blood pumping, just give me a hint :-)

tw

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the tractor vet

05-05-2007 07:02:34




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 Re: Kicking Bee hive in reply to Tom Windsor, 05-05-2007 05:48:56  
We plant corn and barlye , and Alphia on rotation . Two years corn one barley and 3-5 years in cover depending on the stand of the cover weather it will go longer then the three years . All the crops are for feeding the critters and with the new yelds that we have been getting we need to feed more as if this year is as good as last i have no idea where we will store it . Some of the corn is chopped for silage and some is picked for ear corn for feed grinding and stored in cribs . Last year we ran out of crib space and used the silage wagons for some and some never got picked till March . Still have one silage wagon full of ear corn and no room in the cribs yet.

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Tom Windsor

05-04-2007 19:46:25




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 Re: All the fun is over. in reply to the tractor vet, 05-04-2007 17:30:20  
I was just wondering...how much you have plowed and what are you plainting. I have not seen any plowing done around here in at least 10 years. These farmers are doing all sod planting--or no till planting.

TW



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Allan In NE

05-05-2007 03:41:40




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 Re: All the fun is over. in reply to Tom Windsor, 05-04-2007 19:46:25  
Tom,

Talk to any of these no-til guys who are brutally honest and they will tell you that the practice does not save one red cent.

What it does do tho, is save them time. It is a lot easier to cover all those high-number acres with a spray boom than it is with a plow.

However, just like the Vet says, over time the trash farming starts to show ill effects. There just is no substitute for a good rotation program and time-proven farming practices.

Not to mention that little item of the skull and crossbones on the label. It is poison, pure and simple.

Just my view,

Allan

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sd pete

05-05-2007 05:54:06




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 Re: All the fun is over. in reply to Allan In NE, 05-05-2007 03:41:40  
On good ol south dakota Gumbo nothing beats a plow.



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georgeky

05-05-2007 04:59:50




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 Re: All the fun is over. in reply to Allan In NE, 05-05-2007 03:41:40  
Amen Allen.



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El Toro

05-05-2007 04:36:38




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 Re: All the fun is over. in reply to Allan In NE, 05-05-2007 03:41:40  
That's probably one of the reasons why the honey bees have disappeared. All that spraying is going somewhere and may end up in the water supply. My wife said her grand-dad said years ago there would come a time we could be drinking our own urine. Hal



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georgeky

05-05-2007 07:17:36




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 Re: All the fun is over. in reply to El Toro, 05-05-2007 04:36:38  
Hal, I think that is a good assumption. I have several honey bees around here, but nobody is growing much no till corn here any more. Most corn ever raised here was for feed here. Lately most have been buying corn and cutting hay off the ground that use to be in corn. I have noticed more fish in the creek in the last 8 or 10 years as well. I also wonder about the turkeys and other wild life. How is all these chemicals effecting them? I by accident got just a little Vyadate L in a pond once and it killed everything frogs,fish,bugs and everything. It was 3 years before anything would live in it again.

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El Toro

05-05-2007 07:31:42




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 Re: All the fun is over. in reply to georgeky, 05-05-2007 07:17:36  
Everyone should remember DDT. My late father-in law raised beautiful roses and he was using that
and mixing it by hand when it contained lumps. I think that's why he developed cancer. He was an old farmer that never used chemicals on anything. They cultivated everything like we did.

One of my co-worher's bought a house where they had raised corn for years and had used atrazine may not have spelled that right and he said to this day he doesn't have any weeds. Hal

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georgeky

05-05-2007 07:46:41




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 Re: All the fun is over. in reply to El Toro, 05-05-2007 07:31:42  
I have a neighbor who use to custom spray tobacco and his wife died of brain cancer, which the doctors attributed to all those years of spraying. She would ride on the sprayer an old Hahn 300 Hi-Boy with no cab just to keep him company. I have also sprayed and rode on these for years, so maybe my days are limited.



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Allan In NE

05-05-2007 04:40:55




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 Re: All the fun is over. in reply to El Toro, 05-05-2007 04:36:38  
I know time is money and economics are economics for these big farmers.

But, when I see what they are doing to the ground with those sprayers, it just makes me sick to watch. The land resembles a moonscape at certain times of the year when they get busy. :>(

Allan



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the tractor vet

05-04-2007 21:15:05




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 Re: All the fun is over. in reply to Tom Windsor, 05-04-2007 19:46:25  
well we watch the few guys that have gone all notill and over the last 10 years we have seen there yelds drop off because of compaction . We have had even yelds all but last year and that was the best that we have ever seen . We made some major changes lastyear and we will see if it was just a fluke or we did something wright when harvest comes around this year. Also when ya spread manuar on it is best if you plow it under . And yes we still put the culivators on and culivate . And if ya want to see corn jump a foot culivate it this also helps with the FARMER TAN as the old 806 is nothing fancy no A/C no cab and no stereo .

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georgeky

05-05-2007 05:24:13




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 Re: All the fun is over. in reply to the tractor vet, 05-04-2007 21:15:05  
Vet that is true with tobacco as well. It don't even start growing until it is cultivated. You can plow it today and come back tomorrow and it has nearly doubled in size.



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Thack

05-04-2007 20:44:19




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 Re: All the fun is over. in reply to Tom Windsor, 05-04-2007 19:46:25  
The plow is making a come back around here and I think before long everyone will see them again, probably not every year, maybe every 5.



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georgeky

05-04-2007 21:04:31




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 Re: All the fun is over. in reply to Thack, 05-04-2007 20:44:19  
Wait untill they outlaw all the chemicals that fight weeds. Then the plow and cultivator will come back. It is only a matter of time.



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gene bender

05-05-2007 03:33:06




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 Re: All the fun is over. in reply to georgeky, 05-04-2007 21:04:31  
Take away the fertilixer and weed control pluss bug control and there will not be enough food to feed the US so dont worry it aint gonna happen and no-till is here to say they have been doing it here for 20yrs and yeilds keep going up no erosion on hills ect has been very much fun watching it happen as we have had tons of rain last few weeks.



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georgeky

05-05-2007 05:17:59




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 Re: All the fun is over. in reply to gene bender, 05-05-2007 03:33:06  
Gene they started no tilling corn here in the 70s, it has all but dissapeared here. This is not big corn country mind you. I no till some when I don't have time to do all the plowing, but had rather plow myself. I do get better yields on the plowed ground, but as Allen said I am on a rotation between corn,tobacco, beans and hay. On my plowed ground I don't use any weed control except for a cultivator. I have watched as nearly every chemical we used on tobacco has been outlawed, I also think corn chemicals will go this way eventually too. To many non farm people have the control. If you don't believe that just look at the reintroduction of wolves. People in LA and New York as well as other places are setting policy for things they know nothing about. Farmers and ranchers fought wolves for 100 years to get rid of them and now you can't even kill one that is eating a calf. I think wolves should be introduced to Griffen and central park so these folks He** bent on having them can see first hand what the ranchers have to deal with. When their poodles and children are eaten, they will see things in a different light. There are so few farmers now that we do not have any policy setting ability left.

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GordoSD

05-04-2007 18:11:05




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 Re: All the fun is over. in reply to the tractor vet, 05-04-2007 17:30:20  
AAAAARRRRGGGGHHHH.

Gordo



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Janicholson

05-04-2007 17:44:39




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 Re: All the fun is over. in reply to the tractor vet, 05-04-2007 17:30:20  
I agree, turning soil is somehow satisfying. JimN



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georgeky

05-04-2007 17:53:28




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 Re: All the fun is over. in reply to Janicholson, 05-04-2007 17:44:39  
It is nice to watch and smell that fresh soil rolling over. The best part is hearing that tractor talking to you. That is what they were meant to do.



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