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The Danger of Hand Cranking

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El Toro

04-23-2007 17:13:53




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Here's a picture of a man's arm when cranking his tractor, that was severely bruise when struck by the crank. A picture of the tractor too.

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Len Rahilly

04-26-2007 14:49:56




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 Re: The Danger of Hand Cranking in reply to El Toro, 04-23-2007 17:13:53  
I had YEARS of hand-cranking F-12, F-20, "Regular" Farmall, 10-20, Oliver Hart-Parr RC, and H. Never got kicked. All the advice given here about ALWAYS pulling up is certainly correct. If you are away from the crank, and pull up only, you should be safe. As some of the fellows say here, the mag has to be timed right to begin with. It doesn't hurt also to retard the spark on those tractors that have the spark lever (H does not). What really prevents a kickback is the impulse coupling. Many of the early IH tractors had a manually-operated impulse coupling, and you HAD TO REMEMBER to set it. One good thing about this was that you could see if it was latching. If the mag is set and the coupling latches, there shouldn't be any kickback, because the latch holds back the magneto until the piston goes over TDC. The later tractors had automatic couplings, which you can't see unless you take the cover off (not convenient to do every time you start the tractor!). BUT, I remember vividly that on the IHC F-4 magneto (F-12, F-20), you could hear the impulse coupling jingle a bit as you pulled slowly on the crank toward compression. When it stopped jingling, it was latched, and you could then safely pull up.
I will say that I was never terribly comfortable cranking, and finding a way to avoid this is a great idea.
Some tractors were hard to start if they had been stalled or shut off after working hard. Possibly vapor lock occurred. We didn't know what that was back in those years. Some people would spin the crank hoping to make the engine start better (I think they assumed that a hotter spark would result; I believe that the hot spark was provided mostly by the spin put on the mag when the impulse coupling released). Very risky to spin because if the impulse were to miss getting latched as the engine was spun, the cranker could really get hurt.
My dad broke his arm spinning a Ford T. Like the Fordson, this had a retard lever for the ignition, and some people probably forgot to retard. Neither the Fordson nor the T had any kind of impulse coupling, so people wanted to spin them to get a hotter spark. When the crankshaft endplay increased with wear, the magnets would get farther from the coils, and the spark would be weaker. Some people resorted to running the car or tractor up on blocks before stopping it, so the magnets and coils would be closer! Can't remember if it was the front or the back wheels.
By the way, most cars and trucks up until sometime in the thirties had a spark lever, and in some cases, if you didn't retard the spark, you could break the Bendix coupling in the starter. I think this danger was reduced when distributors had automatic advance/retard. Still, I always retarded the spark on our '32 Chevvy truck, just to be sure. The fact that later cars didn't have spark levers or retard buttons suggests that automatic advance/retard were enough to keep the engine from kicking back and breaking the starter.

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El Toro

04-26-2007 15:52:44




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 Re: The Danger of Hand Cranking in reply to Len Rahilly, 04-26-2007 14:49:56  
This man was hurt from cranking a Monarch Garden tractor. There's no retard lever to set. Hal



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Andy Motteberg

04-25-2007 12:34:15




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 Re: The Danger of Hand Cranking in reply to El Toro, 04-23-2007 17:13:53  
It means you need to time your mag.



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Bob Kerr

04-25-2007 12:07:13




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 Re: The Danger of Hand Cranking in reply to El Toro, 04-23-2007 17:13:53  
untill recently all my tractors were hand crank. an f12 and a 10-20. I always stand mto the side and pull up on compression. thumb tucked in and make sure of leg clearance. and be sure to check the timing carefully!!! and if it has a spark lever retard it! We had a nieghbor who was in his 90s and always had this round dent in his head. He said he got it when he was a kid from a farmall regular. he was plowing and somehow killed the engine while it was running kerosene. You have to restart them quick when on kero so he jumped off and grabbed the handle and pulled it.he forgot to retard the spark and it kicked back and nailed him on top part of his forehead. It knocked him out cold and he layed there in front of the tractor quite a while until his Dad got mad and wondered why he wasn't plowing. he thought jr was taking a nap! when he saw my 10-20 the first time he told me that story.

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Tractorfan1

04-24-2007 14:53:43




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 Re: The Danger of Hand Cranking in reply to El Toro, 04-23-2007 17:13:53  
Check out this video. Is this safe? LOL!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcSJsK12GPI



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russ hamm

04-24-2007 07:55:54




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 Re: The Danger of Hand Cranking in reply to El Toro, 04-23-2007 17:13:53  
I learned a long time ago not to trust hand cranking a tractor unless i timed it myself. Timing is everything in more ways than one. Getting hurt can be avoided if you want it to be, and a lot of guys that tell me thier tractor will kick i wonder; why don't they get it fixed? Timing a tractor done by a mechanic sure costs less than a paint job. And more important as doctor bills get higher.



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El Toro

04-24-2007 08:20:55




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 Re: The Danger of Hand Cranking in reply to russ hamm, 04-24-2007 07:55:54  
This man was lucky that all he received was a bruise and not a broken arm or missing a few teeth. Hal



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ericlb

04-24-2007 04:37:17




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 Re: The Danger of Hand Cranking in reply to El Toro, 04-23-2007 17:13:53  
my old grandpap taught me when you hand crank a tractor , stand directly in front of the tractor faceing it, AFTER you check to see that it is indeed out of gear, grasp the crank handle and turn it untill you feel compression then pull the handle UP thru the compression stroke, that way if it does kick back, the handle will be pulled down and out of your hands and if your in front of the tractor faceing it, it wont hit you if it comes all the way back around [ if your quick] was he right? and i also have to admit its been 30 + years since ive had the oportunity to hand crank a tractor too, all mine have electric starters

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JTinNJ

04-24-2007 04:15:24




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 Re: The Danger of Hand Cranking in reply to El Toro, 04-23-2007 17:13:53  
When I was a kid I helped with hay on the farm up the road. George had a tractor that had a crank. I would start it with the crank just because I could.It was something different. Every time I would start that tractor George would tell me "your going to get hurt boy." But,he never did show me the right way to do it.And,He never told me to stop starting that tractor with the crank.I was lucky I never got hurt.

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Easy1

04-24-2007 01:47:59




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 It could be a lot worse in reply to El Toro, 04-23-2007 17:13:53  
I used to work with a guy who hand cranked a AC tractor. I am not sure of the exact type. It kicked back, drove his thumb into his wrist, braking several small bones. He had 3 operations and couldn't work for a year. I have a hand crank for my H, and plan to never use it.



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El Toro

04-24-2007 03:55:31




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 Re: It could be a lot worse in reply to Easy1, 04-24-2007 01:47:59  
We had a 10-20 McCormick Deering when I was youngster and I was taught never to spin the crank when cranking the tractor. I always pulled up the crank and kept that thumb away. That old 10-20 never kicked. They had a Fordson tractor before my time and they were known for kicking.
This man was lucky it didn't break his arm. This was only a garden tractor too. Hal



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farmerweber in PA

04-23-2007 22:47:01




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 Re: The Danger of Hand Cranking in reply to El Toro, 04-23-2007 17:13:53  
When I was a kid I got smacked square in the chest with a crank on dad"s Super A.Nobody has ever hit me that hard.Lucked out though,only knocked me flat on my back.Few years ago a friend of mine got her wrist broken on her 200.It was pretty ugly too.I don"t even mess with cranks anymore.(don"t have anything old enough to not have a starter).If it doen"t start I either charge the battery or drag out the jumper cables.Every oldtimer has cranking stories and some of them are pretty good.

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Janicholson

04-23-2007 17:57:34




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 Re: The Danger of Hand Cranking in reply to El Toro, 04-23-2007 17:13:53  
An F20 with mounted picker can be very bad. The crank extension to get out of the snout creates a larger radius. The neighbor got a compound fracture of the right arm, and a tooth removed. Bad timing, and poor hand/body location. JimN



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A. Bohemian

04-24-2007 07:06:15




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 Pozor! in reply to Janicholson, 04-23-2007 17:57:34  
I always stand off to the side a little, making sure that my side, leg, etc, are out of reach of the crank. That way, if she kicks back, the only thing the crank can possibly hit is my inside hand.

And, of course, I never, EVER wrap my thumb around the crank. (Nor do I wrap my thumbs around the steering wheel when traveling over very rough ground.)

I note from the above that someone was cranking a Fordson. I assume this was the original series Fordson which came out in 1918. These could easily kick back because, IIRC, they used a manual spark advance like Model T Ford. Not much more dangerous than hand-cranking an ordinary tractor IF you remember to retard the spark control ALL the way; deadly if you don't.

I've hand-cranked two tractors, a two-cylinder John Deere MT (horizontal cylinders, cranked conventionally) and my current Super C. I do it only in exremis. I guess I hand-cranked the old MT maybe five times and the Farmall twenty or so.

I've yet to experience a kick-back. I'm not looking forward to it. If I can just remember to stick a charger on it every now and then if I'm not going to run the tractor for a while, maybe I won't!

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