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Fellow C and Super C Owners, Please Help!

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A. Bohemian

04-20-2007 08:33:04




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When I was oiling the fan hub today, I found there is noticeable play in the hub assembly as it rides on the spindle. The play is too small to be easily measured but large enough to be seen.

I'm willing to bet that these had NO play in them when new, and that play is a sign of age. Some amount of play may be acceptable.

So, how much is too much? Could I talk some of you into going out and grabbing your fans and checking for play? How much, if any, do you see?

I have heard stories of catastrophic failure on these destroying the radiator, so I am forwarned. I will as always stop operating the tractor IMMEDIATELY if I hear any of the classic bearing-failure noises.

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Haas

04-20-2007 19:22:39




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 Re: Fellow C and Super C Owners, Please Help! in reply to A. Bohemian, 04-20-2007 08:33:04  
As originally built, these things did not have a seal that amounted to anything. Oil is kept in due to centrifical force when it is running and when stopped due to the fact that the oil level is below the shaft opening. If you take one of these apart, be sure to get it back the same way it was, as there is an oil slinger in there that causes the oil to circulate and if put in backwards, it won't work and the bearing will fail. Most all these are going to have some play in them. Yours sounds kind of normal. If kept oiled per the manual, they will last far longer than the new "lifetime lubricated" ball bearing ones.

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CNKS

04-20-2007 14:02:37




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 Re: Fellow C and Super C Owners, Please Help! in reply to A. Bohemian, 04-20-2007 08:33:04  
One place I don't mind compromising, even if it is an Asian part, is the fans. Mike at Steel Wheel Ranch, and others have sealed bearing fans that fit perfectly for well under $100. I have had two seize, one right after I had cleaned it up and put fresh oil in it, the other for no reason that I know of. Both were unused (by me) tractors bought at auction, and probably had no maintenance.



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georgeky

04-20-2007 09:05:09




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 Re: Fellow C and Super C Owners, Please Help! in reply to A. Bohemian, 04-20-2007 08:33:04  
I have two off the tractors now and they both have a minute amount of end play in them. I plan on running them since every one I have ever had off had a little play in them. Make sure to put oil back in that thing. Most folks tend to neglect that thus causing failure.



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CSR

04-20-2007 09:00:37




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 Re: Fellow C and Super C Owners, Please Help! in reply to A. Bohemian, 04-20-2007 08:33:04  
Mine was spraying oil recently. I did not know the cork seal in the back was not replaceable when I dug it out. I ended up machining openeing the hole from 7/8 to 1.124 and using a typical lip seal like for car wheel bearings. I packed the backed side of it with grease prior to adding the oil. Have a couple hours on it so far...
Cost $1.83 for the seal. Did the lathe work myself.



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Andrew Z

04-20-2007 08:55:38




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 Re: Fellow C and Super C Owners, Please Help! in reply to A. Bohemian, 04-20-2007 08:33:04  
I had that happen to my Super C. Inside the hub is a bushing that is supposed to be oiled. I was plowing snow last winter with it and all of a sudden I saw the temp go from the bottom of Run range to HOT. I stopped and looking and it was the fan hub that had blown appart it was sooooo worn out that all the oil had leaked out and the hub seized right up. Anyway I orderd a new fan bud that has a non lubericated bearing in, it looks likt the real one except for a few spots that are tak welded instead of a nut and bolt. It has worked great on mine and I am very pleased. If I can recal about 60 bucks. I think you can even get them on this site?

Andrew

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A Bohemian

04-20-2007 10:52:57




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 It Looks Like We Have a Concensus in reply to Andrew Z , 04-20-2007 08:55:38  
It sounds like most of these tractors have some play in the fan assembly. So I'm not too worried at this point. I'll have to monitor the situation, but it sure wasn't acting like it was about to sieze up. It turned easily by hand, for example (time for a new belt!) even before I oiled it.

I had one HECK of a time getting the oil retaining screw out. It was frozen up, ale dobre! To make matters worse, some one (it may have been me) had messed up the head of the screw.

In any event, I had to do the trick with the vice-grips on the screwdriver shaft to get it out. Jejdanecky!

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A. Bohemian

04-20-2007 11:28:52




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 P. S. in reply to A Bohemian, 04-20-2007 10:52:57  
I had to take the sheetmetal off to get really open access to the retaining screw, as I was having so much difficulty getting it loose.

I just got all the sheetmetal back on and fired it up, and it didn't sling oil, so I guess maybe the seals are still good.



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