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Revisiting Electrolisis (sp?)

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Tom Windsor

04-18-2007 18:14:04




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I saw the notes earlier about the set up for cleaning pieces by electrolisis. Someone who has had good luck with this system, will you please send me the ABCs on this. I would like to give it a shot. How big of a container, the electrolite, which piece gets the positive and which the negative etc. Or maybe, you could refer me to a site that has instructons.




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Karl Hamson

04-18-2007 21:46:40




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 Re: Revisiting Electrolisis (sp?) in reply to Tom Windsor, 04-18-2007 18:14:04  
Hi. I have been using this for the last couple of weeks with very satisfactory resuls. I first heard about this process on this site but found a lot more info after googling "rust removal+ electrolysis" I sent the following notes to my other passion, early Hudson cars. Good luck. Karl
Have any of you folks tried this? I have been using it on body parts of my 23 with what I consider amazing results. Inexpensive and safe. I wish I had discovered it years ago. You need the following: a plastic container, some scrap steel, washing soda (eg Arm and Hammer) and a battery charger. You arrange the scrap steel around the sides and bottom of the plastic container and make sure that they are all electrically bonded to each other. This is your anode and gets hooked to the positive terminal of the battery charger. Connections should be rust free at the points of connection. Fill the container with water and add 1 tablespoon of washing soda (baking soda will also work) per gallon of water. Suspend the part to be cleaned (the cathode) so that it cannot touch the surrounding scrap. Hook the negative to the part to be cleaned and turn on the power. You will soon see small bubbles form on your part and the scrap. this will eventually turn into a rusty foam blanket. After a few hours, say 12 to 24, turn off the charger and lift out your part. Use either a small pressure washer of a Scotchbrite pad and the rust and old paint pretty much just falls off, leaving clean metal. Action is "line of sight" so you may have to do some careful positioning of the anode bits so that they are located inside a cavity or bend you are trying to clean The beauty of this is that it is non toxic, consumes very little energy and will only attack the rust, not the parent metal. Do not use on aluminum and other alloys. Make sure that you have the polarity right, positive on your scrap, negative on your part, otherwise your part could be eaten away. I am using a 6 amp, 12 volt charger. I can send more info and some pictures if anyone is interested. Maybe this is all old hat for you but I am excited by the results.

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Karl Hamson

04-18-2007 21:40:42




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 Re: Revisiting Electrolisis (sp?) in reply to Tom Windsor, 04-18-2007 18:14:04  
Hi. I have been using this for the last couple of weeks with very satisfactory resuls. I first heard about this process on this site but found a lot more info after googling "rust removal+ electrolysis" I sent the following notes to my other passion, early Hudson cars. Good luck. Karl
Have any of you folks tried this? I have been using it on body parts of my 23 with what I consider amazing results. Inexpensive and safe. I wish I had discovered it years ago. You need the following: a plastic container, some scrap steel, washing soda (eg Arm and Hammer) and a battery charger. You arrange the scrap steel around the sides and bottom of the plastic container and make sure that they are all electrically bonded to each other. This is your anode and gets hooked to the positive terminal of the battery charger. Connections should be rust free at the points of connection. Fill the container with water and add 1 tablespoon of washing soda (baking soda will also work) per gallon of water. Suspend the part to be cleaned (the cathode) so that it cannot touch the surrounding scrap. Hook the negative to the part to be cleaned and turn on the power. You will soon see small bubbles form on your part and the scrap. this will eventually turn into a rusty foam blanket. After a few hours, say 12 to 24, turn off the charger and lift out your part. Use either a small pressure washer of a Scotchbrite pad and the rust and old paint pretty much just falls off, leaving clean metal. Action is "line of sight" so you may have to do some careful positioning of the anode bits so that they are located inside a cavity or bend you are trying to clean The beauty of this is that it is non toxic, consumes very little energy and will only attack the rust, not the parent metal. Do not use on aluminum and other alloys. Make sure that you have the polarity right, positive on your scrap, negative on your part, otherwise your part could be eaten away. I am using a 6 amp, 12 volt charger. I can send more info and some pictures if anyone is interested. Maybe this is all old hat for you but I am excited by the results.

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Tom Windsor

04-18-2007 21:07:00




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 Re: Revisiting Electrolisis (sp?) in reply to Tom Windsor, 04-18-2007 18:14:04  
Keith and Dave, neither site worked?? One not there and the other under construction.



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Nat 2

04-19-2007 07:05:46




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 Re: Revisiting Electrolisis (sp?) in reply to Tom Windsor, 04-18-2007 21:07:00  
Tom, those two sites are not the only ones on the 'net that detail electrolysis. I just googled for it and there's more out there than any mere mortal would ever want to know. Heck, the thread yesterday had enough information in it to set up a basic electrolysis tank.

It's not an exact science by any stretch. You create an alkaline solution, put in clean sacrifical metal, put in dirty metal, connect battery charger (+ to clean metal IIRC), walk away...

Tank size is based on what you want to clean. Electrolyte is REAL TSP (trisodium phosphate, washing soda) but you can also use plain old baking soda. The more you put in, the faster the cleaning action. It's a matter of "season to taste."

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Keith-OR

04-18-2007 19:55:06




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 Re: Revisiting Electrolisis (sp?) in reply to Tom Windsor, 04-18-2007 18:14:04  
Tom, here you go. Frank has a good article on it and the lye gravy.

Just click on his Restoration Tips.HTH

Keith & Shawn



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GA Dave

04-18-2007 19:45:23




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 Re: Revisiting Electrolisis (sp?) in reply to Tom Windsor, 04-18-2007 18:14:04  
I found the reason the post didn't make it. I had the link on my favorites but I get "Page not found" on it also. Gotta call Bill G about this. I'm sure someone has the info you need. David



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GA Dave

04-18-2007 18:46:25




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 Re: Revisiting Electrolisis (sp?) in reply to Tom Windsor, 04-18-2007 18:14:04  
Going to try again. David



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GA Dave

04-18-2007 18:38:12




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 Re: Revisiting Electrolisis (sp?) in reply to Tom Windsor, 04-18-2007 18:14:04  
Try this. David



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GeneMO

04-19-2007 04:55:03




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 Re: Revisiting Electrolisis (sp?) in reply to GA Dave, 04-18-2007 18:38:12  
I posted my same request for help on the JD site and asked FIT for help. He wrote me a nice reply with lots of tips on things I was doing wrong. I need more surface area of sacrifical steel and mixed my baking soda way too strong.

Gene



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