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IH 300 utility ...PTO Questions/Interchangeability

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Ben in OH

04-15-2007 09:14:24




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Hi everyone, New to Forum. I recently purchased an IH 300 Utility tractor with a loader, fast hitch 3-point, and scraper blade. I would like to put a PTO unit on it and have found one off a farmall 450 gas which I may be able to pick up for cheap, but I will have to travel a ways to pick it up. Does anyone know if it will bolt up on my utility? I cant seem to get the local dealer to help me, But I,ve been told that even if its the same unit, it would have a different handle. could I possibly fab a handle up to make it work for my tractor? Im pretty handy with this sort of thing, but it would be nice to see one first. Also, a tractor boneyard near here has a PTO unit that will fit, but its missing the handle, and is much more expensive. Thanks in advance, any info greatly appreciated.

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Ben in OH

04-15-2007 15:08:10




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 Re: IH 300 utility ...PTO Questions/Interchangeabi in reply to Ben in OH, 04-15-2007 09:14:24  
Wow! looks like I found the right place for answers. I see I have some homework to do. I havent been out to the barn to look yet, but can you tell me where to find the serial #. Also, what is the difference between PTO and IPTO. I just would like to be able to run an post hole auger, maybe a tiller or mower eventually. The valve bank does seem like it would be in the way of a PTO handle, that was one of my concerns. I really appreciate all of your help, I could have wasted a lot of time and money not knowing what I was getting into.

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Wardner

04-15-2007 17:44:23




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 Re: IH 300 utility ...PTO Questions/Interchangeabi in reply to Ben in OH, 04-15-2007 15:08:10  
The "I" in IPTO stands for independent. The power does not flow through the engine clutch. It comes from the pressure plate cover which is bolted to the engine flywheel. IPTO's have their own clutch which is internal to the IPTO rear unit.

You have not mentioned anything about a TA so I am assuming that you do not have one. In view of that it seems likely you don't have any IPTO or PTO drive hardware. Your tractor was built as a cheap loader machine. You did mention something about a hitch so that is in favor of your owning something that had some options. Again, you have to look at your serial number.

The serial number may be hard to read because of your loader. It is stamped on an aluminum plate (2.5" x 4") that is riveted on the left side of the clutch housing. If you don't have one, you will have to remove the PTO plate cover at the rear and the cover plate on top of the center section. This where the parts book comes in handy. You will be able to identify what you do or don't have. If you have a PTO (not IPTO), you should be able to rotate things with your hand while the engine clutch is disengaged and the engine is not running.

The IPTO is handy with any powered implement that is used while the tractor is moving. That applies to the mower and tiller. No real advantage with the post hole digger.

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Janicholson

04-15-2007 13:37:54




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 Re: IH 300 utility ...PTO Questions/Interchangeabi in reply to Ben in OH, 04-15-2007 09:14:24  
A 300 is a H SH derived tractor. A 450 is an M SM SMTA 400 derived tractor. Some parts might interchange, but the drive components, clutch strength, and many other elements are way different. JimN



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Wardner

04-15-2007 14:18:26




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 Re: IH 300 utility ...PTO Questions/Interchangeabi in reply to Janicholson, 04-15-2007 13:37:54  
JimN,

The planetary IPTO will interchange on the 300, 330, 340, 350, SMTA, 400, 450, and some 460, 560, and 660. It can be made to work on the last three as well as numerous other models but the speed won't be correct.



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georgky

04-15-2007 14:11:55




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 Re: IH 300 utility ...PTO Questions/Interchangeabi in reply to Janicholson, 04-15-2007 13:37:54  
I think if his tractor has the right shaft the IPTO unit itself will interchange. I have one of each laying in the barn and I can't see any difference in them. Not sure.



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Wardner

04-15-2007 10:56:38




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 Re: IH 300 utility ...PTO Questions/Interchangeabi in reply to Ben in OH, 04-15-2007 09:14:24  
You need to check the serial number before you start dreaming about a PTO or IPTO.

The letter suffix will need to be "R" if you have a Torque Amplifier (TA) and want to install a PTO.

The letter suffix will need to be "S" if you have a Torque Amplifier (TA) and want to install a IPTO.

The letter suffix will need to be "P" if you do NOT have a Torque Amplifier (TA) and want to install a IPTO.

The reason for this is that there is hardware ahead of the IPTO that needs to be in place. I don't own a utility but I think alot of that stuff was optionally deleted on those models. A parts book will help you understand the the different setups.

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Wardner

04-15-2007 14:37:04




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 Re: IH 300 utility ...PTO Questions/Interchangeabi in reply to Wardner, 04-15-2007 10:56:38  
Ben,

I forgot to mention this earlier but the handles are different on the utilities. It's primarily due to the seating position of the operator. In addition, the valve bank on the utes may be in the way. The handles on the row crops are verical whereas the handles on the utes are nearly horizontal.

Could you modify one? Perhaps. I wouldn't. It is more than just a piece of flatbar. There is a latch, spring loaded thumb button, and linkage that complicates things.

I should also mention that the IPTO drive train starts with the engine clutch spring cover that bolts to the flywheel. From there the tractor needs a sleeve and gear, a driven gear, two more shafts, a coupling, and a bunch of bearings. This is all needed before the IPTO gets power. You may have this stuff but you need to check the serial number suffix.

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