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Here is the '51 H

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Mike CA

04-11-2007 21:24:55




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It was raining so I only too about 10 quick pics. Below are two of the profile pics. I took the hood off, which has a bend and tear at the exhaust hole. The grill is beat up a bit, and would need work. The tank seems dent free. Overall the tractor seems rust free, but has several old leaks with built up gunk. The guy agreed to $500, plus he would deliver it to me (100 miles). He owns a large farming operation, and said he would have his mechanic try to get it running so we know the engine is good. It had no water (drained to avoid freeze), and no gas. Oil looked black with no water that I could tell. Amongst the things missing, it has, what looks to me, like really long axels. I would like them about half a long as they are. (can they be cut?)
I told him I would wait to see what came up at the Antique Tractor Show auction before I decided. I really wanted a more complete tractor... but maybe I'm being too picky?

Here is a list of what parts I would need for it (so far)

- Belt pulley
- Narrow double front
- Two old style front rims
- H4 mag (I like the look of these better than the distributers)
- Drawbar support (missing from left side)
- Battery box
- Battery
- Complete wire harness
- Amp box switch
- Starter button bracket
- Left brake spring
- Correct lights (3 of them)
- PTO shield
- Shift knob
- Pre-cleaner jar
- Steering wheel rubber
- Muffler


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What do you guys think?

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CGtractor

04-12-2007 17:53:57




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 Re: Here is the '51 H in reply to Mike CA, 04-11-2007 21:24:55  
Buy it, If you lived closer to Kansas I could trade you my ordinary parts for your rare ones. Find a tractor puller in your area that pulls H farmalls. They(me) strip a lot of things from the tractor to make it lighter and might have some of the things on your list just laying around(I do), Sounds to good to pass up, good luck.



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Yugrotcart

04-12-2007 14:14:23




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 Re: Here is the '51 H in reply to Mike CA, 04-11-2007 21:24:55  
Let see, $500, he will make it run and deliver it, single front wheel, long axles, I'd be jumpin at it, can't lose.
That's my opinion.

Paul



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SuperA-Tx

04-12-2007 08:00:58




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 Re: Here is the '51 H in reply to Mike CA, 04-11-2007 21:24:55  
Sorry Mike but that aint the tractor you need. To much wrong with it and to many tihngs not what your wanting.

I found you one in Kentucky for 1,850 in the photo adds section. Now...how can you get to Kentucky and pick it up?

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Mike CA

04-12-2007 08:11:45




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 Re: Here is the '51 H in reply to SuperA-Tx, 04-12-2007 08:00:58  
LOL I saw that one as well! The gentleman also has a '41 he's selling for $750. I e-mailed him in fun asking him if he's ever visited California. If not, then to come on out... and to haul a tractor with him! :-)

Yeah, that would be a nice one.



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Mike CA

04-12-2007 07:54:19




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 Re: Here is the '51 H in reply to Mike CA, 04-11-2007 21:24:55  
Thank you for all the replies. You guys keep me grounded in my decision making, and I really appreciate it. I will keep this '51 on the "maybe" pile, and keep searching. The owner knows this, and is fine with that, and is even helping me look around (told me about an estate auction in early May)
So, I won't say yes to this machine yet. Nor will I say no.



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Steven@AZ

04-12-2007 07:27:02




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 Re: Here is the '51 H in reply to Mike CA, 04-11-2007 21:24:55  
Mike, I've got around $1100 in an H that is in similar shape to yours. Here is a picture. AND I've also got about $600 worth of parts that I've already bought for it - with more to come as I dig into it. My H is a family heirloom to me because it was my Dad's first tractor, and I feel just fine about the deal I made on it because the rear tires are like new (I plan to put a matched set of 45 degree lugs on it when I'm done).

I think it is a fair deal, but don't cut the axles - I would be happy to trade with you and pay you a few bucks to boot money (or that belt pulley gearbox you want) for those longer axles. You would just have to wait until I come back from the farm in August...

The single front will be worth more to a collector than the double wheels will cost you. The tin looks to be in fair condition as well.

You need to hear it run and drive it around in all the gears. Listen for any grinds, clicks, etc. in the transmission and rearend. I pretty much threw one of my Hs away because the trans/rearend was totally shot from a bearing going out and running through all the gears.

In conclusion - yes I think it is a good deal, but you need to make the final decision - it will require a fair investment to get restored.

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John S-B

04-12-2007 07:05:14




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 Re: Here is the '51 H in reply to Mike CA, 04-11-2007 21:24:55  
Don't cut those axles!! That's a pretty rare option, sell them or trade them for the shorter ones. Yeah, you can cut them down but making an axle longer is darn near impossible. If you're not exactly satisfied with this tractors options, you can fix it up and sell it to a collector and then you'd have enough to buy the tractor that you really want, probly could find one in perfect condition for the money. Just don't destroy the uniqueness off this one, it's rare. This is definately a good deal, just use it as a stepping stone to get your dream tractor.

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Mike CA

04-12-2007 07:50:14




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 Re: Here is the '51 H in reply to John S-B, 04-12-2007 07:05:14  
If I were to do that I would have to discuss it with the current owner as a possible option. He seems to have an emotional investment in this H, so I don't want to go stepping on people's toes.



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Allan In NE

04-12-2007 07:14:45




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 Re: Here is the '51 H in reply to John S-B, 04-12-2007 07:05:14  
I agree with John. (Getting to be a darned habit)

I am of the firm belief that anyone who would cut an axle on a farm tractor has definite evidence of family inbreeding in his or her ancestral past. Doesn’t get much more retarded than that.

Allan



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Mike CA

04-12-2007 07:48:44




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 Re: Here is the '51 H in reply to Allan In NE, 04-12-2007 07:14:45  
My wife (sister) takes offense to your comments!



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Andy Martin

04-12-2007 05:43:32




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 Re: Here is the '51 H in reply to Mike CA, 04-11-2007 21:24:55  
After reading your posts for several months, and coming to realize you are quite a perfectionist, I advise you to find a farily well restored tractor, an old restoration maybe, and start with a $1,500 tractor which only needs cosmetic repairs and paint. You'll be a lot happier in the long run and you'll be money ahead.

There is something wrong with every machine and most folks just want something they can work on and tool around with. 100" axles and a single front tire. What a find! And you want to cut the axles down and throw away the single front!

Belt pulleys are fine but I like to keep a tractor like it came from the factory and not junk it up with every option known to man. It is really good that each of us are different.

This tractor is very complete and will make someone a very nice project just like it is.

You may find the hunt is the part you like the best anyway. Most of us would have been very content with the first one you found. So keep looking and the right one will come along.

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in search of a war model

04-12-2007 07:22:29




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 Hey Mike, Here's a 1944 WAR Model H in reply to Andy Martin, 04-12-2007 05:43:32  
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Andy I am starting to agree with you.

Mike would be money ahead getting one like above, and maybe he could save a lot of time. This one is a "WAR" model tractor like he says he wants, and has a belt pulley on it to boot. The ad fot it claims that a LOT of work has been done to it. The man that listed it sells sells a lot of equipment thru this site and people speak very well of him.

Most people here seem to think that he has found a good deal on this 51. You can bet if I found this one at that price, and the seller offering to deliver it 100 miles. It would not be sitting there very long. Maybe this model is very common in his area, and that is why he wants to shorten the axles and change the front end but myself I like it as is.

Mike I do wish you well in your search for what you want so bad, and I hope you find one that will make you very happy.

Good Luck

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Mike CA

04-12-2007 07:47:22




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 Re: Hey Mike, Here's a 1944 WAR Model H in reply to in search of a war model , 04-12-2007 07:22:29  
That would be a fantastic find for me out here. Unfortunately, there is no way I can get that tractor from IL to CA. Well, of course I could pay to have it hauled. But at $2-3 a loaded mile, that quickly exceeds what I would pay for the tractor, and I don't have that kind of money.



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Janicholson

04-12-2007 04:19:44




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 Re: Here is the '51 H in reply to Mike CA, 04-11-2007 21:24:55  
At a price point of 500 delivered, you need to own this tractor. Many farm fresh tractors are much worse, and you will never find a better deal. (my opinion after operating 6 different Hs and SHs from the time I was 0 yrs old. There is nothing more you need. Time and intention to create a memory will drive this beauty into blossom. You should not care if it runs. If the engine spins now, you have the ability to get it apart, and that is your intent. You have negotiated a better than fair deal. Walking away leaves disappointment in both directions. There are no gift "H" orses. but this one is close. I am more interested in talking you through tire choice than searching for another unit.

My dad asked a bunch of city folk to start at one end of a sweetcorn field and walk to the other (with two rows apiece) they were to pickout the the best ear for their evening meal that they could find. They could not pick more than one, though they could feel. They could not go back to retrieve former "best" ears, it was a one way trip. They were told (not shown) how to choose. Every one came out of the field with a cob picked in the last 50 feet of row. Every one had a nubbin of an ear because they could not decide to decide till the available ears all got worse toward the end.

I (and others) are following you through this process from the day you arived on the forum. You are in the middle of the patch and (my opinion) you have seen some good material, and owned usable iron but not had it home. This is good material. Twist it from the stalk and lets start roasting.
Jim

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City-Boy McCoy

04-12-2007 04:15:54




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 Re: Here is the '51 H in reply to Mike CA, 04-11-2007 21:24:55  
Mike: Whatever you decide, I hope it is for the best and makes you happy. Having said that, I don't see where you're going to be a whole lot better off with this machine. It also needs a lot of money spent on it and you still don't have the front wheel arrangement you want. The tires look shot, and on and on, ad nauseam. Whatever is obviously in need of attention, figure there is at least 50% more that you have not yet discovered. Where is the big advantage this H has over your first H? Either way, good luck in your quest to get a good one. mike

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williamf

04-12-2007 03:51:47




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 Re: Here is the '51 H in reply to Mike CA, 04-11-2007 21:24:55  
The single front wheel is much more unusual and "collectable" elsewhere in the country. You should have no trouble arranging a swap if you want. Likewise the long axles, I would think. Someone who wanted to put on duals, for instance.
On your previous thread it wasn't clear to everybody that this H isn't just missing the belt pulley itself, which may be interchangable with an M's, but also hasn't got the optional drive (housing and gears) that connects the pulley to the transmission. That assembly is specific to the model. The belt pulley drive is probably available from a salvage yard, and reasonable. And easy to install.
All those things are electives, though, and won't be the serious expenses. If you're going to make even a moral commitment to the seller that you'll be restoring it you'll want to look hard at what will be the mandatory items. Will it need an overhaul as well as main oil seals? Are there gears or bearings that you can't really know about without running it? Those kind of things can turn into real money quick, and if you've got a big sentimental investment from the moment of purchase then parting it out to get your money back won't be an easy choice.
Me, I've got such sentiment for all my machinery that I'm purt' well hamstrung. ;-)
Good luck, and look close,
Wm

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RustyFarmall

04-12-2007 02:36:49




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 Re: Here is the '51 H in reply to Mike CA, 04-11-2007 21:24:55  
$500 and he'll deliver it? You better jump on that one quick. Looks like it has the optional 100" axles, those can be cut off and shortened.



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49 H FARMALL

04-11-2007 22:33:45




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 Re: Here is the '51 H in reply to Mike CA, 04-11-2007 21:24:55  
HI MIKE WHERE CAN I LOOK AT THIS H...I'M IN FRESNO...



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Mike CA

04-11-2007 23:06:33




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 Re: Here is the '51 H in reply to 49 H FARMALL, 04-11-2007 22:33:45  
By the way, I'm in Visalia. It's nice to know someone so close! Are you going to the show in Tulare on the 21st & 22nd?



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Mike CA

04-11-2007 23:05:28




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 Re: Here is the '51 H in reply to 49 H FARMALL, 04-11-2007 22:33:45  
The owner was adamant about making sure this tractor is restored, and not farmed out for parts. Also, the $500 price was something I negotiated with him because I am active duty. The internet service I used to locate this tractor also waived its fee because I'm active duty. If I decide not to buy this H, I will put you in contact with the gentleman who runs the service and he can give you the details on how to conduct business with him. It's not my place to do so. It's only fair to him that I not cut him out since he treated me so well. I'm sure you will understand that.

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49 H FARMALL

04-11-2007 22:33:15




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 Re: Here is the '51 H in reply to Mike CA, 04-11-2007 21:24:55  
HI MIKE WHERE CAN I COOK AT THIS H...I'M IN FRESNO...



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gmd

04-11-2007 22:25:30




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 Re: Here is the '51 H in reply to Mike CA, 04-11-2007 21:24:55  
I say if it runs and operates fairly, then 500 sounds about right. If it needs a clutch or doesnt run, maybe even runs rough, i think its worth a little less than 500, or maybe consider another tractor altogether. Try to find out why it was parked.

However if Hs are hard to come by out in ca, its hard to beat a 100 mile delivery. If he does it for free thats worth 100 or 150 right there. On the east coast Hs are pretty common.

All in all if it runs well it could be a pretty fair deal. Besides parts can be shipped from anywhere and you can really shop around for those.

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Farmer Bob

04-11-2007 21:55:54




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 Re: Here is the '51 H in reply to Mike CA, 04-11-2007 21:24:55  
Mike, That's not a bad looking tractor for it's age and the price is right! You would need the gear drive for the belt pulley and the pulley itself. This tractor has the gear box delete plate bolted over the area where the gear box would be behind where the battery box should be. A good pressure washing will remove a lot of the dirt, grease, oil so you may be able to tell what all is leaking. Just from the pics it looks like both front and rear main seals are gone, the bull pinion seal and possibly the bearing is out on the right side behind the brake housing. In the Navy, I'd call a lot of the stuff it needs as "Gee dunk". Other items require more work and getting into it will be a great experience for you. If you plan on turning it into a show tractor, allow for new rear tires. The axles can be cut off but you may also be able to trade them to someone who needs the longer ones and get their shorter ones on an even trade. If you cut them do so at the normal length for the shorter axles which I think is 88" (Don't quote me on this). Good luck!

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georgeky

04-11-2007 21:53:13




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 Re: Here is the '51 H in reply to Mike CA, 04-11-2007 21:24:55  
Mike, that one is missing the belt pulley drive. In order to put the pulley on you will have to have one. There is a cover under the gas tank were it mounts. It looks as good as the two 600 dollar tractors I bought recently, but they have better tires, and pully drives. All the parts you mentioned will run into a bit of money. It is my opinion it is still worth the money if it runs well and hydraulics are working, but be careful and drive this thing to see if it will suit you.

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Tom Windsor

04-11-2007 21:47:38




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 Re: Here is the '51 H in reply to Mike CA, 04-11-2007 21:24:55  
Mike

If it runs, I think there is some cleaning due and seal replacements in your future to stop the oil leaks.

What is the purpose of the front wheel on this thing. Is this usual?

TW



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Mike CA

04-11-2007 21:54:16




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 Re: Here is the '51 H in reply to Tom Windsor, 04-11-2007 21:47:38  
The single front wheels are very common for my area. Sugar beet farms and such.

The hard part is finding the narrow doubles that I like.



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maplehillfrm,pat

04-11-2007 21:45:16




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 Re: Here is the '51 H in reply to Mike CA, 04-11-2007 21:24:55  
hey mike, my gut feeling says you can get better for a little more money, you need alot of parts and tires, good luck with the decision. aint this tractor stuff fun??? I just sent 4 to auctions thsi last week and still have too many I need one or two projects to devote my time to, pat



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