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12 v conversion ballast resistor

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Scott in Illino

03-30-2007 20:02:27




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Just converted a M to 12v using Bob M's diagrams and everything is working ok. I was wondering,however, is the ballast resistor which I put ahead of the 6v coil supposed to get pretty darned warm? I cannot hardly hold my fingers on it. Also the coil gets fairly warm but not so warm that you cannot hold your hand on it. Thanks




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Jossette

03-31-2007 12:03:09




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 Re: 12 v conversion ballast resistor in reply to Scott in Illinois, 03-30-2007 20:02:27  
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I run a double resistor system with a hot 12 volt coil. You dont have to but it saves on the points and alternator. The coil resister is IH and the alternator is chrysler. Just have to touch the key and its going strong.



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John T

03-31-2007 06:26:40




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 Re: 12 v conversion ballast resistor in reply to Scott in Illinois, 03-30-2007 20:02:27  
Scott, For sure those ballast run fairly warm, they convert electrical into heat energy and if they drop 6 volts and draw 4 amps that would be 24 watts of heat dissipation!!!!! !!! It may help dissipate heat better if their metal mounting tab is well secured to the tractors iron so it serves as a heat sink. The coils typically get only warm, however NOT HOT. They are required when you use a 6 volt coil on a 12 volt tractor and the alternative would be to use a full true 12 volt rated coil in which case NO BALLAST IS REQUIRED.

John T

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El Toro

03-31-2007 04:04:32




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 Re: 12 v conversion ballast resistor in reply to Scott in Illinois, 03-30-2007 20:02:27  
You can eliminate the ballast restistor that your are currently using if you want to, by using NAPA's 12 volt coil with a built in resistor. The number of the coil is 1C14SB. Hal



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Ron in Nebr

03-31-2007 00:48:44




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 Re: 12 v conversion ballast resistor in reply to Scott in Illinois, 03-30-2007 20:02:27  
Funny you should bring this up...just today I was working on a 12v conversion on a '50 Chevy truck, using Bob M's diagrams, and due to my memory being foggy, have a question...

If you replace the 6v coil with a 12v coil, do ya still need the resistor? I seem to remember most all 12v vehicles have a resistor, some are separate and some are built into the wire going to the coil. Do all 12v point type systems, regardless of coil voltage rating, only use 6volts at the coil?

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John T

03-31-2007 06:33:09




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 Re: 12 v conversion ballast resistor in reply to Ron in Nebr, 03-31-2007 00:48:44  
Ron, If you use a full true 12 volt rated coil THEN NO EXTERNAL BALLAST IS REQUIRED. You have to be careful regarding coil ratings n labels as a full true 12 volt coil may be labeled "12 Volts" or "12 volts NOT for use with external ballast" HOWEVER BEWARE if its labeled "12 volts for use with external ballast" its in reality a 6 volt coild and does require the ballast as it says !!!!! !!

Typical 6 volt coils have a primary resistance of around 1.25 to under 2 ohms while a true 12 volt coil has more like 2.5 to 3.5 ohms primary resistance. Some people call 12 volts coils "Internally Ballasted" and most achieve their higher primary resistance from more wire length or higher resistance wire versus any internal discrete carbon resistor.

Hope this helps

John T

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Owen Aaland

03-31-2007 04:05:39




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 Re: 12 v conversion ballast resistor in reply to Ron in Nebr, 03-31-2007 00:48:44  
On IH farm equipment the only exceptions I know of are Cub Cadets and 3200 & 3300 skid loaders with Wisconsin engines.



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old

03-30-2007 20:51:35




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 Re: 12 v conversion ballast resistor in reply to Scott in Illinois, 03-30-2007 20:02:27  
Yep a ballast resister will get hot, shoot when there new most will smoke for a few minutes. And yes a coil does get warm, and would you believe if you forget to turn the ignition off at some point a coil and even blow up. When one blows up it will sound like a shotgun going off. Guess how I know?? BTDT to many times

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JayWalt

03-30-2007 20:22:53




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 Re: 12 v conversion ballast resistor in reply to Scott in Illinois, 03-30-2007 20:02:27  
the resister will get warm. It takes that 6 volts and turns it into heat. If you calculate the power it has to dissappate, lets say the coil pulls 2 amps peak, the resistor is disippating (SP!?!?!?) 12 watts of heat to reduce the voltage. It should get warm.

As for the coil, I've never paid attention to mine, I'd imagine it could get a little warm. I'd say put a meter on the coils power wires, but unless your meter has a peak hold and can rsolve the frequency, it wont be accurate because its pulsating DC.

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