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gas in breather oil cup?

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nspec

03-26-2007 19:36:57




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I've got a '47 IA with smoky exhaust. Been thinking I'd replace valve guides, possibly valves as well. Runs like a champ. If you didn't see the smoke, wouldn't know there was anything going on.

Today I pulled the oil cup off the air breather assembly and noticed a gas smell. Now I know the gas gets sucked out of the carburator upstream of the breather assembly, so the gas is relatively close to the oil cup, but I don't really think the oil looked or felt terribly dilluted in the cup. However, I did distinctly smell gas in the oil cup.

Any thoughts on what may cause this? Would an exhaust valve not seating and remaining partially open allow for this (and also my smoke)?

Thanks in advance!

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JayWalt

03-27-2007 05:59:15




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 Re: gas in breather oil cup? in reply to nspec, 03-26-2007 19:36:57  
cant recall, as my compression tester is in the shop, but they do tell you how to determine if its valves, worn rings or a head gasket. If I remember right its like this.

If you have the same low reading in 2 cylinders beside each other, its indicative of a breached head gasket.

If you run the cylinders dry and find one with low compression, then u put a bit of oil in through the spark plug hole and it raises the compression, its indicative of eaither a cracked ring, stuck ring, or worn rings/sleeves.

If adding oil has no effectm then it is a valve problem.

I think this is what the manual says, please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

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Jim Broughton

03-26-2007 20:11:42




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 Re: gas in breather oil cup? in reply to nspec, 03-26-2007 19:36:57  
Run a compression check on 'er, I suspect you might have blow-by or a leaky valve there. Best of luck. Jim B.



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nspec

03-26-2007 20:20:15




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 Re: gas in breather oil cup? in reply to Jim Broughton, 03-26-2007 20:11:42  
the blowby thought was in the back of my head - didn't really want to think of it too hard!! How do you tell with a compression check if it is valves or a cylinder issue?



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CNKS

03-26-2007 19:43:50




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 Re: gas in breather oil cup? in reply to nspec, 03-26-2007 19:36:57  
Fuel is getting into the carb when the engine is off -- a needle/seat problem. It is running back into the cup. Turn off the fuel when it sits for any length of time.



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nspec

03-26-2007 20:01:27




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 Re: gas in breather oil cup? in reply to CNKS, 03-26-2007 19:43:50  
I always shut the petcock on the filter bowl and run the tractor out of gas. Would there be residual in the carburator that could run back?



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Owen Aaland

03-26-2007 20:07:56




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 Re: gas in breather oil cup? in reply to nspec, 03-26-2007 20:01:27  
When you shut the engine off does it ever kick over backwards after you shut the switch off?



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nspec

03-26-2007 20:12:45




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 Re: gas in breather oil cup? in reply to Owen Aaland, 03-26-2007 20:07:56  
nope. I never shut it with the switch anyway. Like I say, this thing runs as if it were new. Under a good load, even better - no misses, nothing. Idles great, starts ridiculously easy, only thing bugging me is the smoke. I'll try valves/guides first. Guy I bought it from put new rings in it. If valves okay, I'm thinking a ring is no good or the oil control ring is in upside down. The #4 cylinder only shows wet oily fouling on the plug - others perfect.

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A. Bohemian

03-27-2007 11:39:59




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 Yow! in reply to nspec, 03-26-2007 20:12:45  
You don't use the switch to shut 'er off? How DO you shut 'er off?

I am confidant you'll find that the owner's manual says to (a) retard engine control lever by pulling it ALL the way back, and allow the engine to idle briefly (this helps prevent "run-on"), then (b) push the ignition button all the way in (or throw the ignition switch, whichever A has) to stop the engine.

If your governor allows the engine to be shut off by fuel starvation, it is not properly adjusted, although I don't know if this is really a problem or not. If the engine can still develop enough RPMs to have usable power, probably not.

Incidentally, blow-by can most DEFINITELY cause the oil to smell like gas. My used-car-salesman uncle taught me that. It was one of the things he used to decide REAL FAST if the problem was likely to be valves or rings. He could also HEAR the difference, if the engine would run slowly enough!

One final word: it is often a waste of time to replace the rings without doing the valves, and vice versa. One component suddenly doing its job effieciently after years of partial failure will often reveal partial failure in the other. Just my opinion, not "the Truth."

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A. Bohemian.

03-27-2007 11:50:20




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 Re: Yow! in reply to A. Bohemian, 03-27-2007 11:39:59  
Ok. Re-read the whole thread. Apparently you use the fuel cut off. Not recommended procedure, but what works, works...

The wet oil on plug #4, and the gas smell, make me pretty sure you have a bad oil and/or compression ring on #4. My humble opinion above about valves and rings at the same time still stands; but in this particular case I guess you could try just replacing the ring(s) on #4, if you are CONFIDANT the previous owner did a good job otherwise.

Sorry for my haste.

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