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SMD-TA original?

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Sonnyday

03-23-2007 06:54:24




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I"m looking to purchase this SMD-TA. What should I check out to make sure it"s "orginal"? What would make this tractor not valuable, like if the block or head is different, etc?

Thanks for your help. I"m trying to make a good decsion that will cost me $3000. The tractor hasn"t ran for 2 years, but is not locked up.




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BOBM25

03-23-2007 09:16:30




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 Re: SMD-TA original? in reply to Sonnyday, 03-23-2007 06:54:24  
If the thing turns out to be legit, I would still proceed with caution. Parts (if available) get real expensive in a hurry for these things. What hundreds of dollars do for a straight M will take thousands on the SMDTA. Mine was very original when I bought it for $4500, I did not touch the motor and I have over 10,000 in it now. I still think about gettin out from under it every once in awhile, if someone would offer me 10, I would have to think long and hard.

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Janicholson

03-23-2007 07:35:03




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 Re: SMD-TA original? in reply to Sonnyday, 03-23-2007 06:54:24  
Three Key issues provide originality info.

1}Casting codes (extreme value) that match the Serial number estimate of the production date within a month (usually) but not more than 4 to 6 months. and usually not later than the estimated production within the range of serial numbers.

2}Provenance (where it has been and what they, former owners, say about the unit) paper trail and repair orders, receipts indicating when/what. old photos of it.

3}Current attachments and correctness of components. A 400 top cover on a SMDTA would be an example, as would incorrect ground speed in gears, or other mis-applied parts.

Things which do not cause concern would be mediocre repaint, normal accessories like M&W gears, or throttle quadrants, or hydraulic accessories that are not shade tree force fit garbage. Missing common components should also not cause major headaches, but may be difficult to find in usable restorable condition.

That is the Info I would use to evaluate a high value tractor I was interested in restoring. JimN

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Wardner

03-23-2007 09:25:39




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 Re: SMD-TA original? in reply to Janicholson, 03-23-2007 07:35:03  
JimN,

You kinda hit home with item #3 "A 400 top cover on a SMDTA would be an example".

Contempoary accessories or attachments always add value to a vehicle. They are even better if they do not irrevocably alter the vehicle.

There is only one reason a 400 lid would find its way onto SMTA. Lids do not wear out or break. The 400 lid would only find its way on a SMTA if an owner, in 1954-1956, wanted to convert his tractor to fast hitch. I have seen a few SMTA's with 400 fast hitches. The rockshaft mount always looks jury-rigged. A proper conversion in '54-'56 would require a new lid (or factory engineered bracket) along with the new fast hitch hardware. It also requires a steering column mounting plate which is easily fabricated.

I have altered one of my SMTA's with a 400 lid and fast hitch. I don't think it has depreciated the value of the tractor. If I were to sell the tractor, I would not put it back to original condition. It would be offered with the original lid and drawbar on a pallet. I think the tractor is more useful and interesting with the conversion.

This is the reason why I have asked this board, on several occasions, whether IH offered a retrofit kit for the SMTA. If they did, the conversion would have high value if all the kit parts were still on the tractor.

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BOBM25

03-23-2007 09:40:43




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 Re: SMD-TA original? in reply to Wardner, 03-23-2007 09:25:39  
I've always wondered this myself. I've been told a kit was available. I have a fast hitch off a 450 on my SMDTA. It has manual draft control. It could not have been easier to put on. The whole thing bolts right to the sides of the differential housing, change the drawbar attachment bracket under the tractor, plug hoses into the outlets and away you go. Absolutely no fabrication necessary. Just bolt it all on. It makes me think IH had this fast hitch designed 1st, then modified it for the 400, realized the new one wasn't as good as the first one, then went back to the original design for the 450 and 560. Just my $.02

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Bob m

03-23-2007 07:24:11




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 Re: SMD-TA original? in reply to Sonnyday, 03-23-2007 06:54:24  
First thing I'd do is check the last character of the date code on all the major castings.

Ideally they should end in "Z" (=1954). However "Y" (=1953) with the month characters later in the year (eg about "8" thru "12") would be OK too.



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Sonnyday

03-23-2007 09:33:21




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 Re: SMD-TA original? in reply to Bob m, 03-23-2007 07:24:11  
Where's all the casting codes that I should look for?



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Bob M

03-23-2007 10:29:57




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 Re: SMD-TA original? in reply to Sonnyday, 03-23-2007 09:33:21  
Date codes look like this: *5-26-Y* (the * characters represent bumps that look like flat head screw heads). This example would indicate the casting was poured on May 26 1953.

All larger castings (block, head, torque tube, axle housings, bolster, wheels, etc) will have date codes on them.



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Wardner

03-23-2007 10:06:22




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 Re: SMD-TA original? in reply to Sonnyday, 03-23-2007 09:33:21  
You're not looking for a needle in a haystack here. There are probably a dozen date codes and they will be on the large castings. The most prominent one is on the right side of the rear frame casting.

Back away from the puter and go look.



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Wardner again

03-23-2007 10:31:13




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 Re: SMD-TA original? in reply to Wardner, 03-23-2007 10:06:22  
I don't know what's going on here. Is SonnyDey and Sonnyday the same person? Anyway, SonnyDey knows about casting codes. Click on link.



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georgeky

03-23-2007 12:17:31




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 Re: SMD-TA original? in reply to Wardner again, 03-23-2007 10:31:13  
That is why I didn't reply to this. I remembered about the Super HTA a while back and the Day and DEY deal.



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BOBM25

03-23-2007 11:43:18




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 Re: SMD-TA original? in reply to Wardner again, 03-23-2007 10:31:13  
So what is this clown saying? Sounds to me like he's got 3000 bucks worth of parts laying around and wants to build a SMTAD and make a mint. He wants to know what he has to do to make the thing look legitamate. Maybe selling fictional IH tractors didn't work, so now he's trying to make ones that actually existed. Its not going to happen though. You're gonna need SMDTA parts, if you can find enough of those, SonnyDay, to make a believe-able complete SMDTA you're gonna lose your a**! Trust me. On a side note, Wardner, you got pics of your SMTA's with the 400 fast hitches? I'd like to see how you did that. How did you plumb in the extra cylinder?

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