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GeneMO

03-21-2007 06:57:46




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Read a post a page or two back about bush hogging with an H. I did a lot of that with an M that had an M&W hand clutch. But as I get older it gives me the willies to think of that spinning bush hog right behind me.

We had a neighbor killed a few years back when the seat failed on the M and he went off the back. He either spun the steering wheel as he went off or it hit a bump and started going in a circle. It ran over him many times before stalling.

I had heard the spring broke, but his nephew was over last weekend and showed me on my Super H what happened. He said the seat broke where it bolts to the platform. He cautioned me to frequently inspect the entire seat for cracks.

Just thought I would pass this on.


Gene

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SF Mike

03-22-2007 13:34:19




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 Re: M kills neighbor in reply to GeneMO, 03-21-2007 06:57:46  
This is a scary thought.
I have been bush-hogging a few years with a Ferguson and just upgraded to a Super M.
I grew up on an M and pulled all sorts of implements many miles. I left the farm for school and the army in "65.
I bought a small place a few years ago and am retiring there. It"s a lot easier to fall off the M than the Fergie.
Thanks for the scare-gonna check that thang.



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LA in Wi.

03-22-2007 05:31:55




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 Lanyard from marine dealer in reply to GeneMO, 03-21-2007 06:57:46  
Fishing boats have a lanyard that you attach to your belt or wrist, if you fall out the lanyard pulls out and kills the engine. Maybe a marine dealer has the kill switch kit that would work on our tractors. Boats also go around and around in circles(especially tiller steer motors) after driver falls out; watching boat continually come at you while you're trying to get out of the way is not good. I hit a floating (just under surface of water) tree trunk in Canada with 40hp motor and almost fell out...lanyard is always used now.

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NE IA Dave

03-21-2007 21:48:07




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 Re: M kills neighbor in reply to GeneMO, 03-21-2007 06:57:46  
Gee guys, I hate to be a dumb butt, but if a tractor seat fails, and you fall backwards off the tractor (as with many makes and models) at any speed you don't have very good odds of avoiding serious injury. This including a suicide wrist band lanyard / kill switch. Now if you add any impelment or any road gear I think the wife would be doing the Google for Funeral homes.

I have personaly never given a thought to seat failure, but I can sure guess it would be a very short time frame from start to finish.

I am usualy the one who points out a potentual saftey issue, and many times answered with --WELL when it's your time, its your time mentality. I most times think to my self that maybe all the stupid ones are not in jail. I kind of wonder if perhaps a saftey forum would serve a very good purpose.

Just off the top of my head -- alllll right -- I do stand corrected--the top of my bald head-- numerous saftey issues that just about caused, or indeed caused serious injury. The first is a AC WD that had a pin that held the universal joint in the steering drop out due to wear and age. Another is a AC WD 45 that the snap coupler under the tractor failed and disconected as the mounted plow was droped in the ground, thus making the lift latches a hinge point. Thus bringing the back of the plow out of the ground and tipping it against the driver / steering wheel. A JD 4020 (could be any tractor) dragging logs in the timber with chains on. The chain spun over the end of a 3" x 15 ft stick. It brought the stick up around behind the driver, smashed the fender & back of the seat, pinning the driver against the steering wheel.

A JD 60 that broke the snap ring like thing a ma jig behind the fly wheel, thus locking the engine tight. The operator was in high gear wide open, and on new pavment not open for trafic yet. The rear tires made for good traction on the new saw cut finish concrete, thossed the operator over the front mounted 4 row cultivator.

Another farmer going up a hill road with lots of layers of solid lime rock on the surface. He was dragging a log chain at a pretty rapid speed if I know this farmer. The log chain drug the dirt out of a crack in the rock as he drove over the layers of solid rock. The crack was centr line of the tractor. The chain after cutting the dirt out of the crack wedged the end hook in the groove as well. The hook only got a few inches into the crack, put the front end of the tractor sky ward, stopped the tractor and broke the chain, making a very sturdy slig shot when the hook broke off.

Another farmer was jerking a log chain pulling a fallen tree. Everyone knows you should hook to the drawbar and not up on the 3 point. Now don't get ahead of me here, the chain was not hooked directly in the center, but accidently off to the side of the tractor by mistake. The chain broke and shot beside the operator hitting his left foot as it shot by. No serious injury.

Although I did not make the EMS call, another farmer wrapped a 3/8" log chain around his head as it broke from jerking it. Pretty bad but not a long term injury.

Gollley geee I could go on for hours on end, give it some thought everyone.

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dave guest

03-21-2007 19:38:46




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 Re: M kills neighbor in reply to GeneMO, 03-21-2007 06:57:46  
You can buy lanyard type kill switches for quads and atvs. I have installed one on my Cub. My grandson has been riding since 8 years old. I wouldn't be without it.



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Paul G. in Mn

03-21-2007 13:51:27




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 Re: M kills neighbor in reply to GeneMO, 03-21-2007 06:57:46  
meany years ago my grandfather was plowing with a 1939 M when the seat broke and he fell in the path of the plow. He somehow either pushed himself or the plow away but got really banged up. The tractor and plow when across a gravel road and across the neahbors field tell it went down a drainage ditch and stalled. My great uncle still has this M and it now has a 400 style seat welded and bolted to the plateform

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Mike CA

03-21-2007 12:50:55




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 Re: M kills neighbor in reply to GeneMO, 03-21-2007 06:57:46  
What parts are specifically failing, and on what kind of seat?

I'm a big guy, so I'd like to know what to look for. I don't plan on doing any bush hogging, but it will be pretty dang embarassing running after my tracotr on a parade route after the seat breaks.



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Dave H (MI)

03-21-2007 11:32:56




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 Re: M kills neighbor in reply to GeneMO, 03-21-2007 06:57:46  
Someone posted here about a year ago that the number one cause of death related to the operation of the old Farmalls was seat failure. I think the H was specifically referenced. Don't know if it is true or not but it is always in the back of my mind. I like the kill switch idea quite a bit. May have to look into that.



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Clip41A

03-21-2007 09:52:30




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 Re: M kills neighbor in reply to GeneMO, 03-21-2007 06:57:46  
I spent some time in the Coast Guard riding small open boats in fairly rough seas. The coxswain (boat driver) would have a lanyard tied to his wrist that went to a kill switch. The idea was that if he fell overboard, the lanyard would pull this special key out that automatically killed the engine. I don't think it would be too hard to duplicate this for a tractor. Might be a worthwhile safety feature when operating non-ROPS/no seatbelt tractors. Maybe someone already makes such a device? A commerical item would probbaly be better than a home-made one.

I too have scared myself thinking of what could happen if I fell off the seat while disking. I will definitely be more careful knowing it's not just all in my head.

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John in Ne.

03-21-2007 08:31:18




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 Re: M kills neighbor in reply to GeneMO, 03-21-2007 06:57:46  
When I was a kid we had a neighbor with a terrible limp.My dad told me that he tied the rope from this trip plow to the seat spring on his M.The plow caught on something causing the hitch to release and he fell off backwards when the seat collasped.Screwed up his ankle pretty bad. I've seen guys tie theirs like this at a couple of plowing bees.Not a good practice. John.



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JayWalt

03-21-2007 08:31:05




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 Re: M kills neighbor in reply to GeneMO, 03-21-2007 06:57:46  
u can guarantee if I EVER hooked a mower to my tractor, that it would have some sort of fabricated cage behind that seat. There is no way I'm falling into one of those damn things. Unlikely on a 300 u, since the seat bolts directly to the hydraulic resevoir, but I still wouldnt take the chance, I can guarantee you that!!



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Randy S.E.-MN

03-21-2007 08:28:24




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 Re: M kills neighbor in reply to GeneMO, 03-21-2007 06:57:46  
Three years ago the seat spring on my M broke as I was mowing with the sickle mower. My tractor has the Monroe style seat. It was a surprise, but I didn"t go down very far because of that long tall shock absorber in the back of the seat. That shock I put on was a gas filled nitrogen shock that actually resists compression. I"m convinced that helped my situation considerably...Randy



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Nawlens Gator

03-21-2007 07:12:27




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 Re: M kills neighbor in reply to GeneMO, 03-21-2007 06:57:46  

Gene,

I appreciate you posting this. I never thought about this as a hazard. I will inspect my tractor seats and make any needed upgrades to insure this can't happen on my tractors.



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Janicholson

03-21-2007 08:01:35




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 Re: M kills neighbor in reply to Nawlens Gator, 03-21-2007 07:12:27  
I fell off of a moline U from the broken seat issue. I was at warp 13mph on a gravel road, I held on to the steering wheel, but was dragged 100ft till the right tire hit a 14" phone pole. At 15 yrs old it was exciting. If I was disking, it would have been over. JimN



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