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Farmall 400 backfiring and dying

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Duanes

03-05-2007 08:33:36




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I have a Farmall 400 gas that we recently bought. What little we used it until now it ran fine. A couple of snowstorms back I ran it plowing snow for about a half hour. The tractor started to spit and sputter and backfire and died. I had to go in the house for about 20 minutes and came out and it started right up and ran bout another 20 minutes and same thing and tried to restart and battery was dead.I jumped the tractor and got it started and put away. We took altenator(Delco) off and took it to parts store and had it tested and it tested fine so, we put it back on the tractor and tighted belts up. We also put new points and condensor in the tractor. Took The tractor and warmed up at idle about 10 minutes and ampmeter stayed about neutral,ran it working about 15 minutes and ampmeter jumped to 20 amps and with lights on would go to 30 amps. Worked about another 20 minutes and then started to back fire and spit and sputter and died but would restart and then die under load such as in 3rd gear or when using hydraulics. When idle down in 2nd I was able to drive back to shed. Next day I started it and idled for 5 minutes and then went and started to push snow and it started to act up and die again. I was able to get in shed and ran at idle for 2-3 minutes and then would just die but would continue to restart. I belive hydraulic pump is getting bad as well would this have anything to do with it? Any help is much apprecaited! Thanks,Duane

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Hugh MacKay

03-06-2007 03:17:42




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 Re: Farmall 400 backfiring and dying in reply to Duanes, 03-05-2007 08:33:36  
Duanes: Is it possible your distributor drive gears have slipped a few teeth. Read what I said to Del Archer, now on page 3 or 4. Usually once they slip they don't last as long as yours has until they strip completely.

My 130, same distributor and drive gears stripped back two months ago. Acted very much like yours except it was over much quicker. Just as this started did you notice the tractor laboring as if timing advance was off by a few degrees.

This messes them up quite badly, usually the first sign is tractor laboring, then it starts popping and belches black smoke. Even when it get so far off on timing advance that it ocasionally backfires, it may still start and run for a bit. Finally it will backfire as you turn it over on starter and the backfire will almost deafen you, but at that point it probably wont make any attempt to fire and run.

I had this happen to my 130 tractor twice, first about 1994 and again just two months ago. First time gears were worn badly. This time I found crushed ice all through the grease in the gear box. I suspect there was a pocket of water in the grease that froze to a cube, it was about 0 degrees F. I had been plowing snow for about 1/2 hour from cold start up, and from the looks of the gears I think I started off with a block of ice in there and those gears ground it up. Also there is a bushing around the shaft on the driver gear. I didn't replace that bushing in 94, I think maybe I should have. I can see where gears have been riding each other, thus I don't believe ice was the complete factor. The gears were not worn near as bad this time as in 94, but they did have a lot of fresh damage, caused by the ice in my opinion.

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Owen Aaland

03-05-2007 18:28:58




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 Re: Farmall 400 backfiring and dying in reply to Duanes, 03-05-2007 08:33:36  
As you are getting about 20 minutes of running time before this problem occurs, something else to check is the fuel cap vent. Usually not a problem with the tall triple baffle style since the vents are around the bottom. The original low style had the vent in the top center which could become plugged more easily. Next time it happens just crack the fuel cap loose and see if the problem goes away.

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mike porter

03-05-2007 16:14:17




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 Re: Farmall 400 backfiring and dying in reply to Duanes, 03-05-2007 08:33:36  
the dead battery sounds like your alternator isn't wired right. also, try dry gas in the fuel, sometimes it only takes a little moisture to make tractors run bad.



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Jossette

03-05-2007 16:08:14




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 Re: Farmall 400 backfiring and dying in reply to Duanes, 03-05-2007 08:33:36  
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my 400 did that very same thing. found out the wiring that some one else did was wrong. Had the switch and the resistor wired wrong and the resistor was shot. New wires and resistor and hasn't quit yet. the points finally went out this week after 6 years of running.

Let me know how it turns out.

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wayne from wi

03-05-2007 14:05:43




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 Re: Farmall 400 backfiring and dying in reply to Duanes, 03-05-2007 08:33:36  

I'll bet you have a cracked coil. Start the tractor in the dark, and at about you 20 minutes you will see arcing between the center terminal and one of the side posts. As the coil warms up the crack widens and shorts out.



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Duanes

03-05-2007 11:45:44




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 Re: Farmall 400 backfiring and dying in reply to Duanes, 03-05-2007 08:33:36  
Old do you mean the ignition switch? We just changed that but did use a used one? ET it is a internal resistor.
Could it somehow be out of time?
Tried running with choke and did not seem to help.



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old

03-05-2007 14:41:41




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 Re: Farmall 400 backfiring and dying in reply to Duanes, 03-05-2007 11:45:44  
Yep ignition switch, some times when they get old they heat up after a few minutes and stop works as if you had shut it off then when it cools back down it works right for a little while again.



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ET

03-05-2007 12:48:17




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 Re: Farmall 400 backfiring and dying in reply to Duanes, 03-05-2007 11:45:44  
I would try a condenser first ,but the internal resistor may be bad in the coil.



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Duanes

03-05-2007 13:35:31




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 Re: Farmall 400 backfiring and dying in reply to ET, 03-05-2007 12:48:17  
ET do mean resitor in coil or Altenator? I just put in new condensor and we had Delco Altenator with internal resistor checked on a bench at parts store and they said altenator was good.



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ET

03-06-2007 04:48:29




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 Re: Farmall 400 backfiring and dying in reply to Duanes, 03-05-2007 13:35:31  
If you just tryed a condenser Then I would lean toward the coil with its internal resistor being bad. It's not unheard of for a brand new condenser to be bad either, but a coil would be my next bet.



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ET

03-05-2007 12:38:02




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 Re: Farmall 400 backfiring and dying in reply to Duanes, 03-05-2007 11:45:44  
I would try a condenser first ,but the internal resistor may be bad in the coil.



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ET

03-05-2007 11:23:17




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 Re: Farmall 400 backfiring and dying in reply to Duanes, 03-05-2007 08:33:36  
It sounds like the tractor has been changed to 12 volts from the origonal 6 volt system. Has a resistor been added to drop the voltage going to the old 6 volt coil or has the coil been changed to one with an internal resistor in it? The coil and condenser will overheat with too much voltage and cause the condition you discribed.



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Brent Neuhart

03-05-2007 11:04:51




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 Re: Farmall 400 backfiring and dying in reply to Duanes, 03-05-2007 08:33:36  
Your choke may be stuck closed



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Nawlens Gator

03-05-2007 10:37:30




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 Re: Farmall 400 backfiring and dying in reply to Duanes, 03-05-2007 08:33:36  

I bet it's a bad coil. It heats up with operating time until the resistance goes sky high (or real low, or shorts or something). My IH 140 would start sputtering and die after 30 min or so mowing. New coil fixed that. Feel the coil next time and see if it's hot (real hot). Bet a new coil fixes the problem.



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Armand Tatro

03-05-2007 09:59:24




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 Re: Farmall 400 backfiring and dying in reply to Duanes, 03-05-2007 08:33:36  
Regarding junk in fuel tank (somethink about). If your gas tank has fuel gauage built into it the cork float could be flaking apart and stoping the flow of fuel. After tractor stops cork floats away from fuel sump and than comes back to haunt you later. I have seen this happen twice. Probly not the problem but maby? Armand



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old

03-05-2007 09:35:42




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 Re: Farmall 400 backfiring and dying in reply to Duanes, 03-05-2007 08:33:36  
Could be one of a couple things. Next time it does it check for spark right after it dies. If it has a brite blue spark then its not a spark problem. Next pull the drain plug out of the bottom of the carb and make sure you have a good steady flow of gas, use something to catch the gas and let it flow for 5-10 minutes. If it keeps flowing you could also have a bad switch but when they start acting that way the problem can be hard to find but doing those things will get you in the right direction

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Bob M

03-05-2007 09:13:53




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 Re: Farmall 400 backfiring and dying in reply to Duanes, 03-05-2007 08:33:36  
Could be fuel starvation. Try partially pulling the choke when it begins to falter. If the engine picks up again fuel starvation is the problem. Look for a plugged strainer in the sediment bulb, junk in the bottom of the tank, a plugged gas cap vent, etc

If the choke thing doesn't help most likely the coil is failing. It works OK cold, but as it heats up it's output voltage tails off, causing the engine to first misfire and then quit altogether.

Try running it again. When it falters immediately shut it down. Now pull the center wire from the distributor and attach it to a good spark. Lay the plug on top of the distbutor and crank the engine with ignition switch "on". You should see a hot, blue spark at the plug. However if the spark's a lazy yellow, suspect a bad coil.

Also check the coil temperature by hand after it's been running a few minutes . If it's noticably warm to the touch it's probably the old 6 volt coil and you are now feeding directly from it 12 volts. You need to add a ballast resistor in the primary circuit to knock the voltage down to 6 volts to keep it from overheating (and also keep the points from burning out prematurely)

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Incidentally from your description it sounds like your ammeter is wired up wrong. Turning on the lights should not change the ammeter reading or only cause it to indicate LESS charge.

Try turning on the lights the the engine stopped. A correctly wire ammeter will show 5 - 10 amps of DISCHARGE with the lights on.

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georgeky

03-05-2007 09:12:38




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 Re: Farmall 400 backfiring and dying in reply to Duanes, 03-05-2007 08:33:36  
My Super C done that a few years back turned out to be a bad coil. With a weak coil sometimes they will idle but die or loose power when applying more gas. If you have something else with a good coil try switching them and see what happens.



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Roger Mills

03-05-2007 08:59:31




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 Re: Farmall 400 backfiring and dying in reply to Duanes, 03-05-2007 08:33:36  
Sounds like fuel starvation--filter or perhaps not turned on? If so-the higher the load the quicker it will quit.



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zook

03-05-2007 12:32:39




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 Re: Farmall 400 backfiring and dying in reply to Roger Mills, 03-05-2007 08:59:31  
This might be a long shot but I remember my dad drying our distributor cap out with a hair dryer a few times. The least amount of moisture will make the tractor run very rough. He even very carefully wrapped a plastic bag around it if it was snowing bad enough.



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A. Bohemian

03-05-2007 14:30:13




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 Re: Farmall 400 backfiring and dying in reply to zook, 03-05-2007 12:32:39  
I'd like to cast my vote for fuel starvation. It sounds like the tractor is running off the ''stored'' fuel in the float bowl. This could be caused by sediment in the tank/bowl screen but could also be caused by a stuck float/needle valve.

But the ammeter acting funny could point to a bad or improperly installed voltage regulator. Problems like that are why I don't do voltage conversions.



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