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300U 12v Conversion Done!!

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JayWalt

03-02-2007 19:58:59




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Well guys, I got it done. I used a GM 4 wire alternator. 1 main output, one field input, and one turn on input, and a output for the gauge package. This came off of my 1990 buick skylark. The car was total'd about 3 years ago, breaking the alternaotr mount. I returned it for a new one since it has a lifetime warranty. Now if this one every fails, I just return it and get a new one!!

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I made the mount myself. The original genny mount couldnt be used, because it bumped the pivot point too far out and would cause interference with the hood. I could have drilled a hole halfway through the mount and make the pivot there, but one of my promises to myself is to not alter original parts if I dont have to. In doing this, it keeps all part in original condition in case someone would ever need them, or want to restore the tractor. I made the top slider stepped to mount the alternator. My main pivot mount is stout as can be, and I feel it is more then adequate. It was a real pain lining it up tho, heat from welding can warp metal just enough to tick ya off!! =) If I had a wire welder I would have stitch welded it, but doing that with a stick welder is nearly impossible.

Now, for the coil, I looked through the 7 my dad had laying around, and the best canditidate connection wise was a nissan coil from an old pickup. enough said. The solenoid, I wanted to address that before it became a problem. I got a ford one from advanced auto. It was a pretty close fit, but turns out not quite good enough without some modification. First, I had to flip it 180, or else the power connector on the starter would hit the frame of the solenoid. So because of that, I had to make a longer copper flat piece to bridge power from the solenoid to the starter.

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Now there is about 1" of room between the steering draglink ball end and the solenoid's "I" connector. The pic isnt very accurate from the angle. I dont see that being a problem, If I have that main cast piece break off fromt he steering box, it could hit, but then I got bigger problems then a $13 solenoid.

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I removed the regulator and bridged the few connections I needed to.

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There is a fusible link between the alternator and solenoid battery term. I also used a 1n5406 between the coil's power connection and the alterntors field and turn on terminals.

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The system works great!! now for a new battery for my car, car's old battery into truck, truck battery into tractor =) Bad thing is the car and truck are side post, so I dunno if I'll get new cables or just buy a new battery soley for the tracor, or buy them stupid side to top adapters, havent decided, and for now its got a very underpowered half dead riding lawnmower battery in it. I have a 300AH battery rack in the garage I just jumper from to start it.

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The maint mount from below

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BTW, the hood does fit, the alternator has proper output voltage at engine idle speed. One thing I had to do was split a pulley because ALL of the alternator pulleys I had (about 13 of them for v belts) wouldnt accomadate my 1/2" spliceable belt. This also made the pulley smaller in diamter too =) (forgot who suggestd it on here, but thanks, nobody else had pulleys that would fit the alternator and my belt, not even the alternator/starter rebuild shop). I hacksawed it in half, then used a dremel tungsten carbide bit in the drill press to flatten out the cut edges and sandwiched a washer between them. The alternator shaft was barely long enough to get 4 turns of the nut on, so I used some loctite on the nut for added security.

Comments are appreciated...

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Don Benson

03-03-2007 10:56:35




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 Re: 300U 12v Conversion Done!! in reply to JayWalt, 03-02-2007 19:58:59  
looks very similar to my recent install, definatly add a volt meter great job on it!



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Armand Tatro

03-03-2007 04:55:17




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 Re: 300U 12v Conversion Done!! in reply to JayWalt, 03-02-2007 19:58:59  
Fuses or circut breakers are much better than a fusible link! My experence with fusible links is that when they fail there is no visual indication unless they get hot enough enough to melt the insulation and if that happens they can ruin the rest of the wiring harness! In my cars or trucks I can never find them and end up running a new wire with a fuse. Other opinions? Armand



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JayWalt

03-03-2007 05:53:27




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 Re: 300U 12v Conversion Done!! in reply to Armand Tatro, 03-03-2007 04:55:17  
well, heres the thing. Nobody makes an inline 50amp fuse holder. I'd have to go with a mounted fixture for that, and it first wasnt in the budget, and second there is not much room. The fusible link is only 2.79. It also just fuses the main alternator output to the battery for charging. If my system is pulling more then 55amps, something is probably wrong besides the fusible link. Ideally I would have likes to use a fuse, but that is also one more bad connection to have problems with. Cars have used them for YEARS!! mind you they are usually in spots that arent easily accessible. To each his own I guess. Simplest and Cheapest route led to this =)

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Janicholson

03-03-2007 04:16:21




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 Re: 300U 12v Conversion Done!! in reply to JayWalt, 03-02-2007 19:58:59  
Very nice.
You may find that on vehicles, the Looping of wires leads to things catching in them and ripping things out. (it is mandated in most stationary codes, but the short runs on mobile systems are easier to replace than resplice) I don't mean no slack, I just believe slack wire is an invitation to vibration and wear through. I really like the solenoid application, the unused terminal (visible in the photo) can be hooked to the coil + terminal (the one from the resistor). If the Nissan coil needs no resistor this wire will do no good. Nice effort. JimN

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JayWalt

03-03-2007 05:48:38




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 Re: 300U 12v Conversion Done!! in reply to Janicholson, 03-03-2007 04:16:21  
yup, that was the key converting totally to 12v, no 6v remnants. I assume you mean the orange wire looped around. That is for the headlights, which is fused, but I also made it so long cause you know how those things get shortened over time. It doesnt look pretty, but I assume any restore job will start with a new harness anyways, since mine is homemade with obviously not the proper colors.

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Bob

03-02-2007 21:39:16




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 Re: 300U 12v Conversion Done!! in reply to JayWalt, 03-02-2007 19:58:59  
Those "CS" series Delcos DO work very well for conversions.

I have used a number of them.



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JayWalt

03-02-2007 21:56:44




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 Re: 300U 12v Conversion Done!! in reply to Bob, 03-02-2007 21:39:16  
its brand spankin new. Bad thing is rebuilt or remanufactured, which they all are anymore are kinda crap. I've went through 3 of them in my car, and 2 in moms, so its a good thing they are warrantied or I wouldnt have even considered it. Moms went high on the voltage and nearly killed her car. Took it in, they tested it, showed fine. voltage would creep up as it got hot, so ttesting on the stand wouldnt show anything. So I stabbed a screwdriver through the vent holes until i jammed it up pretty good =) They took it back then.

I'm debating on putting an voltmeter in place of the ammeter, or just mounting one on my loader brace. not sure yet, but the ammeter is kinda pointless now, voltage is more important.

This is a 105amp alternator, hopfully running it at alot less load, and with alot better airflow, it will holdup longer.


BTW, bob, I thought the field terminal would pull several amps to power the rotor. Yet when I used my DMM to check the amperage, so I could determine a proper diode, it pulled very little cureent, under 200ma. what gives?

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Bob

03-02-2007 22:07:57




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 Re: 300U 12v Conversion Done!! in reply to JayWalt, 03-02-2007 21:56:44  
Only a slight amount of current is needed to start the charging process ("excite" the alternator).

Once the alternator "excites", it (internally) provides it's own field current, and the external power is no longer needed.

Furthermore, the regulator in the CS series is "smart", more or less shutting of the field current "at rest", then slowly "ramping up" field current after startup, as opposed to some older designs that draw full field current even "at rest" if the key is left on.

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JayWalt

03-03-2007 05:45:40




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 Re: 300U 12v Conversion Done!! in reply to Bob, 03-02-2007 22:07:57  
thats kinda cool. IMHO they are still crappy tho. mine right now in the pontiac, whenever you turn on a load, like headlights, or whatever, the voltage drops then rises back up. Also, when you are idling, the voltage goes down to battery voltage. You know how it is, being smart now adays has nothing to do with robutsness (is that a word? =))



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