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Help identifying PTO

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JayWalt

02-21-2007 12:44:06




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Hey geys,
300U s/n 7090 PJ

I got the brakes all done, the shaft seal replaced. I drained the gear oil out last night. Today, I pulled the PTO cover off. I like how they use orings on alot of stuff. They are cheaper then new gaskets.
Anywways, I pulled the pto cover off to check out the bull gears and see what kind of pto its geared for. There is a spline shaft all the way up in the front of the case, about an arm's length up. I'm assuming this is the pto drive. Now, that shaft can be easily turned no matter what the clutch position is, and no matter what gear its in including neutral. I'm wondering what the deal is since its supposivley gear for an IPTO.

AHH!!! I see...
The seasonal disconnect must be disabling that shaft... I noticed it on the pto drawings... Now How to enable it to check the shaft? Its got a center"bolt" with a bar going on top of the head? The manual mentions nothing of a seasonal disconnect. Can someone explain how to engage it?

Also, the bull gears, and dif bevel gears are in AWESOME shape. Very defined gear teeth, like they were machined yesterday. No sharp edges like one would see with wear, just very nice defined teeth edges. I guess with this and the clutch that is rather worn, it further verifies this tractors use as a loader tractor for most of its life. Whether thats a good or bad thing, I dont know, the front end is tight, so that is good.

Thanks Guys.

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JayWalt

02-21-2007 13:50:37




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 Re: Help identifying PTO in reply to JayWalt, 02-21-2007 12:44:06  
ok, got it. George, what would cause the gears to grind? Like If I try to put it in gear with the tractor FULLY STOPPED, sometimes it grinds them. It's bnot bad, if I ease into it, it will actually slow the gear down, almost like power is being tranfered through the clutch when its depressed. Could a throwout bearing thats not been lubed cause this? The clutch seems to be adjusted as good as it can be. just kinda wondered and wanted to take care of it if I could.
Thanks

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Wardner

02-21-2007 20:08:41




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 Re: Help identifying PTO in reply to JayWalt, 02-21-2007 13:50:37  
You have what is called a "crash box" in your tractor. We all have crash boxes. My first vehicle (1947 IH truck) had a crash box with straight cut spur gears. My second vehicle (1932 Ford PU) didn't have a crash box. It had a '39 tranny with synchros and helical cut gears. Don't compare your 300 with your S-10.

If your constant mesh gear and countershaft are turning with the clutch disengaged, it is probably due to the pilot bearing which located at the center of the flywheel. The bearing is supposed to be permanently lubed but fifty years stretches the concept of permanent when it comes to machinery. You have already indicated that you don't have much clutch facing left. While the facing was being eroded your bearing was also spinning. The inner and out race were moving at different speeds and probably in the presense of considerable heat. The pilot bearing can get so bad that eventually you will have to shift gears with the motor turned off unless you become expert with the simultaneous use of the throttle and shift lever.

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georgeky

02-21-2007 13:59:50




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 Re: Help identifying PTO in reply to JayWalt, 02-21-2007 13:50:37  
I am not sure I have several old Farmalls and some seem to do it worse than others. It seems like it is almost the nature of them.



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Wardner

02-21-2007 13:48:30




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 Re: Help identifying PTO in reply to JayWalt, 02-21-2007 12:44:06  
"P" stands for IPTO w/o TA. Go get yourself a planetary PTO and drive shaft. Not sure if the shift lever and linkage is the same on 300 utes and Farmall 300. Consult parts books.



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georgeky

02-21-2007 13:32:54




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 Re: Help identifying PTO in reply to JayWalt, 02-21-2007 12:44:06  
Jay between the bell housing and transmission on underside of tractor there should be a small shiter lever this is to operate the seasonal disconnect. If you have a IT manual it is shown in transmission cut away view.Try page 72 figure 737



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