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IH300 Utility hydraulics

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Jack Crifasi

02-19-2007 21:53:15




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I'm working with a 300 Tractor manual, since my IH dealer didn't have a 300 Utility manual. My tractor is a 1957(?)300U, s/n 24519SJ. Turns out there is a lot of differences, like the hydraulics reservoir and plugs. I found a square plug with a dip stick under the seat, and a breather cap. Should the dip stick be screwed all the way back in to measure the level? the fluid is definitely low since I blew a line and lost some while replacing it. The book says use IH Touch Control Fluid - can I add regular Hydraulic Fluid from TSC? Can I mix them or do I need to drain and refill with one kind of fluid? And does the breather cap really screw off clockwise to clean? I don't want to break it!
Also, Does anybody know any websites where I can get assy/parts drawings for maintenance of this particuar model tractor? Like clutch and tranny info? Thanks, Jack

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JayWalt

02-21-2007 05:32:59




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 IH300U ZIPmanual online!! in reply to Jack Crifasi, 02-19-2007 21:53:15  
Online 300u zip manual


There ya go!! =)



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JayWalt

02-20-2007 21:27:55




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 Re: IH300 Utility hydraulics in reply to Jack Crifasi, 02-19-2007 21:53:15  
The filter is around 86 and the res cover gasket is 17 from the dealer. If the system can be fixed, it would be swell worth it.

One has to wonder what would cause such an instant filter clogg. As evident by my experience, the pump should have more then enough suction to collapse that filter and suck a hole right through it, altho not necessarily.

How cold was it when u ran it?

Even tho you added a half of a gallon, if the original fluid has water in it, water could be in the system freezing up the filter and blocking flow.

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JayWalt

02-21-2007 05:13:38




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 Re: IH300 Utility hydraulics in reply to JayWalt, 02-20-2007 21:27:55  
DO not crack the suction or low pressure line to the pump, this will cause the pump to run dry/suck air.

When the movement was "choppy" did the pump make a horrible sounding noise, mine does if the res is low and I try to lift the loader arms too high. What line dide u blow?



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Jack 300U

02-21-2007 15:40:28




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 Re: IH300 Utility hydraulics in reply to JayWalt, 02-21-2007 05:13:38  
In July the high line to the rear lift cylinder blew. took a while to work off the frozen control valve connector, so the hose was disconnected at the cylinder (but plugged) during that time. I suppose it could have picked up some moisture then, since it sat under a tarp for 2 months (I"m a slow worker!). I finally replaced the line and started her up, after a few minutes I got pressure and its worked fine ever since for road scraping, snow removal etc. I didn"t add fluid. When it stopped working, it made noise and had a lot of choppy stuttery vibration, then quit lifting, then slowly dropped my front bucket and backscraper down. Can"t move it off the road.

The noisy pump sound stopped and I was guessing low fluid let air in somehow. No change after I added fluid, wouldn"t move the pistons to work out any trapped air. Ok, I won"t crack a line to test.

Now sounds like it might be a frozen water in the line somewhere. We had a big thaw today around 40 deg, so I"m hoping the problem goes away. I don"t see how the strainer is the problem unless it suddenly clogged up, which seems unlikely. I"m thinking about heating with a torch, but haven"t a clue where the ice block might be, if there is one. Any ideas?

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JayWalt

02-22-2007 05:59:19




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 Re: IH300 Utility hydraulics in reply to Jack 300U, 02-21-2007 15:40:28  
jack, if theres water in the fluids and its cold enough, ice crystals can form in the resevoir and when it tries to suck fluid through the screen/filter, the ice crystals can clogg the filter like dirt would do but depending on the amont of fluid, it could actually totally block the filter/suction line and lead to the problems you describe. If this is the cae, its gonna take at least a good day of pretty warm weather to warm up that resevoir and the castings that make it up.


Hope you get her working...

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jack i300u

02-20-2007 22:37:29




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 Re: IH300 Utility hydraulics in reply to JayWalt, 02-20-2007 21:27:55  
Its been in the teens here, but today was 38deg. It worked fine 2 days ago in 25deg weather, but was a little slow getting hyd pressure up on starting cold. I ran it awile to heat it up without getting pressure today, but of course that wouldn't heat up the filter area. Any way to test for filter blockage before disassy of reservoir to get to filter? Like open the low press line to the pump? I guess the pump is ok, since it is driven by the distr shaft? To repl the filter I'd need a new gasket for the reservoir block and the filter itself - anything else?

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Dellbertt

02-20-2007 05:46:33




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 Re: IH300 Utility hydraulics in reply to Jack Crifasi, 02-19-2007 21:53:15  
I think the easiest is to go to your IH dealer and order a parts manual for your tractor. That will have parts and pictorials on assembly. The last one I bought was $26.00 but they are probably more now.



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JayWalt

02-20-2007 05:19:11




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 Online 300U Operaters Manual. in reply to Jack Crifasi, 02-19-2007 21:53:15  
IH300U Operater's Manual

Hope you get some use out of it, not the best scans, but readable to the extent mine is. I got it at case IH, so...

I also got an 18 page booklet from a member here I could scan. It deals manuals with the farmall 300 and 400 series hydraulics, but it is for the most part very applicale to the 300U. I plan to scan it, and if you would like it, I can scan it within the next few days.

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Jack Crifasi

02-20-2007 15:25:35




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 Re: Online 300U Operaters Manual. in reply to JayWalt, 02-20-2007 05:19:11  
I stored it, but my computer doesn"t recognise .rar extension file. What program do I need to open it? - Jack



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JayWalt

02-20-2007 21:22:21




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 Re: Online 300U Operaters Manual. in reply to Jack Crifasi, 02-20-2007 15:25:35  
www.rarlabs.com

Maybe I should put it in a zip for. Thats a shareware utility and will open the file without having to pay for it. The prog is called winrar.

If you need the zip instead, just let me know.



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Jack I 300U

02-20-2007 22:18:40




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 Re: Online 300U Operaters Manual. in reply to JayWalt, 02-20-2007 21:22:21  
A zip would be nice, so I don't have to go thru rar.com to get the right shareware.



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Hugh MacKay

02-20-2007 03:19:09




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 Re: IH300 Utility hydraulics in reply to Jack Crifasi, 02-19-2007 21:53:15  
Jack: IH touch control fluid was replaced by IH hy-tran, now CaseIH Hy-tran. Other outlets will have an oil that meets these specs, just make sure they have their cross reference correct.

You study that hydraulic system a bit Farmall 300 and Utility 300 have all the same components, just a different configuration. Same with clutch and TA if so equipped.

I agree it would be much nicer if you had the Utility manual. Why not go through YT classifieds, photo adds or look at ebay. There are manuals galore on ebay, you just might find one. Then you can sell your current manual same way, for now it's better than nothing. I find my best source for manuals are flee markets at antique tractor shows in the summer. You see what your getting.

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Jack Crifasi

02-20-2007 15:40:10




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 Re: IH300 Utility hydraulics in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-20-2007 03:19:09  
I bought the CaseIH Hytran hydraulic fluid and put in about 1/2 gallon, to full mark if dip stick is screwed in til seated. No hyd action at all on my front bucket or three point cylinder, seems like air is in the line and pump. Before I lost Hyd power this AM, the movement was choppy then nothing. I think I need to prime the Hyd pump somehow. Any ideas? The IH dealer mentioned the strainer might be plugging up, but on the 300U it is a pain to get to it (drain and remove the reservoir box first).
Can you guys give me any help?

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Hugh MacKay

02-20-2007 16:23:10




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 Re: IH300 Utility hydraulics in reply to Jack Crifasi, 02-20-2007 15:40:10  
Jack: Personally, I'd drain the system clean that screen and fill with new oil. Hydraulic pumps that have had oil in the system never need priming. That screen and oil are the economical fix, it may or may not work, however other possibilities are going to get expensive.



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