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Frozen 806 Hydraulics Revisited

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Harlen Larson

02-18-2007 18:32:42




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Two to three weeks ago I posted about frozen hydraulics. I tarped the tractor this morning and ran a turbo heater under it and three hours later everything worked like it was summer time. I didn't get much for water when I cracked the drain plugs though so I really don't know why this should happen. I assume it will be the same next time I start it. Thanks for all the previous ideas and posts.




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Harlen Larson

02-18-2007 19:18:28




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 Re: Frozen 806 Hydraulics Revisited in reply to Harlen Larson, 02-18-2007 18:32:42  
Yes, The 806 holds 17 gal if done completely and I changed this along with filter in I believe August. The fluid looks pretty good it isn't milky just a little dark maybe.



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Hugh MacKay

02-19-2007 02:33:06




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 Re: Frozen 806 Hydraulics Revisited in reply to Harlen Larson, 02-18-2007 19:18:28  
Harlen: You say changed the fluid in Aug. What did you use as replacment? I got into much the same thing 35 years ago with a 560. Oil was coming from Esso and the dealer assured me it was same specs as Hy tran. He was wrong and I had the same problem as you are having.

At that time Esso had a product called Hydraul 50, I had used that for a number of years, without any problem. Hydraul 56 was new and the dealer convinced me it's was a new improved replacment for hy tran. During the summer I had added varying amounts to my 300, 560 and 656. 50 gallons of Hydraul 50 and 3 new hydraulic pumps later my problem was cured. You could have a similar situation. Personally I've never seen an oil cross reference I trusted yet.

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JayWalt

02-18-2007 19:40:43




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 Re: Frozen 806 Hydraulics Revisited in reply to Harlen Larson, 02-18-2007 19:18:28  
its weird that the heat fixed the problem. If the fluid isnts milky (i think some people say its a grey color), then it probably doesnt have much water in the system.

Did you use hytran spec fluid?

Theres some AW32 floating around out there (at automotive stores) that is alot thicker then hytran.

Maybe something is wrong with the system and heating up the fluid makes it thinner allowing it to work? I'm by no means an expert, just trying to help out.

For the most part, cracking the drain plug and having no water come out does not mean theres no water in the system.

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JayWalt

02-18-2007 18:45:10




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 Re: Frozen 806 Hydraulics Revisited in reply to Harlen Larson, 02-18-2007 18:32:42  
from what I've been told the hydraulic fluid is spec'd with an additive to suspend water, hence the fluid being a milky color when it has moisture in it. I surmise this is too keep it in suspension so it can't pool up and cause corrosion or give the pump a hard time.

Is your fluid milky or does it look like normaal oil?

A word of caution, if yours is milky and you do decide to replace the oil, be sure to get all of the old oil out, as much as humanely possible. I have this same issue, tomorrow I'm going to redrain my system (i just put new fluid in it and cleaned the resevoir and it still becomes milky from leftover fluid in the hoses/cylinders) and cook out the water. The 806 has ALOT more fluid then my 300u.

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Owen Aaland

02-18-2007 20:39:21




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 Re: Frozen 806 Hydraulics Revisited in reply to JayWalt, 02-18-2007 18:45:10  
Hy-Tran will hold a lot of water in suspension. In freezing temperatures it is posible for this water to form ice crystals that will plug the filter and bypass screen. An indication of this is that the hydraulics may work for a short time when the tracor is first started and the quit, usually within a minute. If you were to pull the filter you would see the ice as the oil drained off the screen. This can happen even before the oil gets milky colored.

When changing the fluid in the trans/diff it is also a good idea to change the final drive fluid also. 06 models came with a separate reservoir and fill plugs. They is a cup type plug on the inside of the inner axle bearing bore and a seal on the brake pinion shaft. When servicing the final drives on these tractors it is advised to leave the plug and seal out and to drill a couple of holes through the rear housing so the oil can get through to the final drives and outer axle bearings. When this is done the fill/check plug on the axle housing should have the square head sawed off to identify this change.

If you drain the final drives and you do not know if you tractor has been upgraded, simple fill the transmission as normal then crack the final drive drain plugs again to make sure oil has filled the housings. (Be sure to drain enough to be sure it is new oil and not just more that has found it was to the drain plug). If not you will need to fill the final drives through the fill/check plugs.

It is not unusual to find one side upgrades but not the other so be sure to check both sides.

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