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Buying a crawler loader

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mike eaglin

01-06-2002 18:35:48




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I'm considering buying an older model small crawler loader. I'd like to buy either a John Deere or Case. I'd prefer either a 350 or 450 model and can't afford to spend more than $10,000. It will be used mostly on a farm, so I wouldnt be using it daily.

1. What kinds of mechanical things to be aware of.
2. What equipment does it take to transport one of those models.
3. How easy are they to work on or get parts for.
4. Any other general advice.

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Keith

01-10-2002 22:05:52




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 Re: Buying a crawler loader in reply to mike eaglin, 01-06-2002 18:35:48  
Seems like everyone who replies thinks you should either hire it done or get a rubber tired vehicle. I have two older dozers, '52 D4 and '63 TD15B, and both have surprised me with their reliability. The only money I spent on them was either little nickel and dime things or adding stuff I wanted like a cab. The TD15 I bought for $3500 and put new steering clutches and a new undercarriage on for $14,000. The D4 on the other hand hasn't had anything at all done to it. It was an Army Corps machine and the thing is just wonderful, no leaks and it doesn't burn a lick of oil. I paid $6500 for that. I wan't to say don't give up, if you look around you can get a good machine for about 10,000 dollars with no problem but I would give up on getting one that cheap from a dealer. Look for individuals or farmers who are wanting to upgrade.

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Mal

11-24-2004 00:13:01




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 Re: Re: Buying a crawler loader in reply to Keith, 01-10-2002 22:05:52  
Hi Keith, I'm interested in a TD15B, I see yours is a '63 model, does it have a 360 turbo diesel in it ? How can you tell it from the 407 engine.
Does yours have the turbo on the right side and the starter on the left ?
How have you found it , does it give any trouble , how many hours did it have when you bought it?
Thanks, Mal.



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Lavoy

01-09-2002 17:44:24




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 Re: Buying a crawler loader in reply to mike eaglin, 01-06-2002 18:35:48  
Mike,
A 350 will haul on a good heavy 2 axle trailer and 3/4 ton or heavier pickup, a 450 will need a 5th wheel trailer most likely. Buy a good undercarrraige if you can, this can break you real fast. Next look for a good drivetrain. In Deere 350/450, a C model will get you wet clutches, although there is nothing wrong with dry clutches for what you are going to do.
Parts for either Deere or Case should readily available, OEM, used, or aftermarket.
Buy a set of factory parts and service manuals, the will pay for themselves in the long run. Purchase price will vary with location. Around here you could get one for that money, but not a later model one.
We have a 350B loader on the farm and it works great and has a lot of lift for its size compared to a wheel tractor.

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guy

01-09-2002 09:09:31




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 Re: Buying a crawler loader in reply to mike eaglin, 01-06-2002 18:35:48  
About 10 years ago I bought a small Allis crawler-loader with a combination bucket for $3200. The radiator leaks, the block leaks, (no problem because it won't start below freezing anyway), there is always something to fix, the tracks are loose, and they jump off if you try to turn going backward with the bucket full. But it's FUN!!!

So if you want practical, get something else, but if you want one - go for it.

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Canadian Cowboy

01-08-2002 21:01:04




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 Re: Buying a crawler loader in reply to mike eaglin, 01-06-2002 18:35:48  
Mike,

What kinda work are you looking to do with this crawler loader????

I know in theory it seems like a good idea, spending money on an older machine rather than paying it out to some one to do the job, in the long runn you pay the same price but end up with a half running toy for future jobs,

Give us a sense of the work you wan't done and we just might tryin sell you on getting a diffrent machine. For the same price your budget is you can get a decent 50-60 hp diesel bobcat, put rubber tracks on it, your laughing.

give us a shout Back!!!

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jerry Gerthofer

01-08-2002 18:13:02




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 Re: Buying a crawler loader in reply to mike eaglin, 01-06-2002 18:35:48  
$10.000 well good machine in this line. will cost you $15.000 if it,s any good.check for wore out steering clutches. real common problem.parts are easy to get. but will break you real fast. buy what makes you happy.



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jack

01-08-2002 17:31:33




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 Re: Buying a crawler loader in reply to mike eaglin, 01-06-2002 18:35:48  
i have had differant crawlers and dozers(ih500c,jd350 case 310 etc and now i have 2 mf300 which i really like. parts are hard to find for these but they sure seem to do alot for the size. if i were you i would go with a mid size crawler loader and a desiel.buy the manuals and learn to do as much work on your own a possible.make sure under carriage and drives are in good shape because this is expensive.have fun and enjoy if you are like me you will get hooked

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Roland

01-08-2002 16:42:22




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 Re: Buying a crawler loader in reply to mike eaglin, 01-06-2002 18:35:48  
Only dreamers would buy an old crawler. I have three JD 350's, when I move a pile of dirt i dream I'm on an D 11 moving a mountain. It would be wiser to by a four wheel drive rubber tire tractor with three point hitch and loader. Hire a large tractor to do the big jobs. The rubber tire tractoer can do more things cheaper. You by a crawler because you love tracks and waist money



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Roland

01-08-2002 16:41:54




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 Re: Buying a crawler loader in reply to mike eaglin, 01-06-2002 18:35:48  
Only dreamers would buy an old crawler. I have three JD 350's, when I move a pile of dirt i dream I'm on an D 11 moving a mountain. It would be wiser to by a four wheel drive rubber tire tractor with three point hitch and loader. Hire a large tractor to do the big jobs. The rubber tire tractoer can do more things cheaper. You by a crawler because you love tracks and waist money



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Phil Sutton

01-08-2002 07:13:40




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 Re: Buying a crawler loader in reply to mike eaglin, 01-06-2002 18:35:48  
I bought a JD450 crawler loader (1970 model) last year to use on the family farm of 240 acres. Since it's 100 miles from where I live I have a time problem.

I'm not real experienced with tracked equipment, but since nobody's answered you yet I'll throw in my two cents.

Mine just had the engine and clutches, etc. rebuilt. The sprockets and undercarriage seem to be in very good shape. I have street tracks and am thinking about replacing them. I did find I spend a lot of time chasing hydraulic leaks and a leak in the cooling line on the transmission down. All heavy mechanical work. Always finding bolts to tighten and other time consuming work to do. Sure could use an acetylene welder and cutter also. Spent two days getting a snap ring out of the main hydraulic arm to replace an o-ring that was leaking. Things like that with a 30+ year old machine.
Need to find time to learn to use it properly also. My wife says I keep leaving holes big enough to lose a cow in when I am clearing. I think I try to do too much in a short time. Do less, and do it right

I had to transport across a state line and no local state transporters were licensed for interstate. Had to use the JD dealer at a cost of $400 for 100 miles one way.

Parts seem readily availabe from the John Deere Dealer and third party suppliers. If you have tohire the mechanical work done, it can get expensive, so I just plug away and learn as I go along. Hard to get advice from the dealers, but people operating equipment for a living seem to answer my questions.

If you like this type of work and have the time to play (and have money for parts) you should be OK.
My wife says I spend all my time working on it and not doing any work with it. Maybe in a year or two when I retire I'll have more time.

Phil

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