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farmer jeff 08-27-2012 13:22:11 71.74.153.93 Report to Moderator	I sprayed 5 acres with 2,4d then 2 weeks later plowed and disced the field followed by a mix of timothy,orchardgrass,red clover and alfalfa in my brillion seeder but only thing that grew was ragweed. any thoughts ? by the way I am new to this forum and have enjoyed reading everyones posts for several years. [Reply]   [No Email]
ihman73 08-31-2012 23:24:32 67.43.125.34 Report to Moderator	Re: spring seeded hay in reply to farmer jeff, 08-27-2012 13:22:11   The 2,4-D probably scotched the alfalfa and clover. Also if you didn't roll your seedbed firm before seeding that also could be part of the problem. My new seeding didn't take this spring either. I baled off the foxtail that did come up there then burned it down with glyphosate and planted tillage radishes there. It is a small corner cut off of a field where my landlord put in a new pond. Got some rain today so we'll see how that experiment works out. [Reply]  [No Email]
Teddy (punchie) 08-30-2012 12:08:38 74.98.58.35 Report to Moderator	Re: spring seeded hay in reply to farmer jeff, 08-27-2012 13:22:11   Spring plant should have taken. The biggest trouble I have had is PH. Never plant below Hay Below 6.2 and always use lime and pelletized lime aiming for 6.5 or better. Best for me is at least 300/pounds/arce of 9-23-30 mix with 50-100/lbs. / P-lime for most alfalfa mixes. Seed should have come up about 3-7 days after rain and you should have cut any tall weeds as soon as they start to get flowers. I try to plant is the fall too dry this year and I"m going to have to plant this spring. Western PA here !! Teddy [Reply]  [No Email]
paul 08-27-2012 20:38:23 76.77.196.99 Report to Moderator	Re: spring seeded hay in reply to farmer jeff, 08-27-2012 13:22:11   Did it rain after you planted?The crops you planted are very slow growing, might even still be there, just never got real big. This was a tough year to do hay seeding and get it to take. Those hay seeds only want to be planted 1/2 inch deep, but they like to be kinda damp in a firm ground for some long time. As well, the 24D would have been tough on the broadleaves you planted, there is a 3-4 week carryover that can affect the alfalfa, clover. You might have been better off using glyphosate (like Roundup) - no carryover with that. Don't know where you are, but in a dry area like much of the USA this summer, ragweed is for sure the best crop we all are growing. --->Paul [Reply]  [No Email]
farmer jeff 08-28-2012 14:23:43 71.74.153.93 Report to Moderator	Re: spring seeded hay in reply to paul, 08-27-2012 20:38:23   I am in n.e. ohio,it didn't rain until a week or two after planting. [Reply]  [No Email]
fergienewbee 08-27-2012 14:00:04 99.181.136.244 Report to Moderator	Re: spring seeded hay in reply to farmer jeff, 08-27-2012 13:22:11   A guy who raises hay at our church did about the same thing--orchard grass and alfalfa--with similar results. Ddi you disk/plant in the fall? Ragweed seed responds best then. Larry [Reply]  [No Email]
farmer jeff 08-27-2012 14:07:31 71.74.153.93 Report to Moderator	Re: spring seeded hay in reply to fergienewbee, 08-27-2012 14:00:04   no i did all of it this spring april/may. [Reply]  [No Email]