ethanol??

Hey folks, I have to pay German prices fot gas for the quad and tools (saw, trimmer, mower, etc). E10 gas is 10 cents a liter cheaper than SUL.
Is the ethanol going to harm the tools? quad is a 2003 yamaha tools are from 2-10 years old 2 and 4stroke. Most concerned about the stihl saw and brushcutter. Mower is a 6.5hp B&S.

Thanks, Dave

I have been in 5 states that had Ethanol blend gasoline from 10 to 15%. I have never had any issues at all with it. Methanol however, and MethelTertiaryButylEther (MTBE) (no longer used here) are bad news, though ethanol and Methanol are both forms of alcohol, Methanol eats plastic and rubber for lunch. MTBE is also hard on materials (experience in Colorado). I use it in Homelite Weed Whackers, a Stihl Chainsaw, My 57 JEEP, 51 GMC 3/4ton, Honda motorcycle, and and various lawn mowers with ZERO issues. Jim

(quoted from post at 12:22:43 03/06/11) Hey folks, I have to pay German prices fot gas for the quad and tools (saw, trimmer, mower, etc). E10 gas is 10 cents a liter cheaper than SUL.
Is the ethanol going to harm the tools? quad is a 2003 yamaha tools are from 2-10 years old 2 and 4stroke. Most concerned about the stihl saw and brushcutter. Mower is a 6.5hp B&S.

Thanks, Dave

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I've been using the E-10 2 stroke motors for many years now. Stihl chainsaw, Stihl weedeater, Poulan weedeater, Homelite chainsaw, and Yamaha dirtbike. The Yamaha and the Homelite are both gone now, but they both thrived on E-10, and the Stihl and Poulan equipment I currently use also run very well on E-10 with NO carburetor or fuel system problems.

Here in pa. , that stuff is raising cane with chainsaws . It seems to deteriate the lines as I"ve been told by a couple chainsaw shops . They recommended buying an additive to put in your small engine gas cans to prevent it happening . So to avoid any problems I did just that . Hopefully this summer when I get to use my chainsaws again , I won"t have any issues . I do know from experience , it sure caused me problems in my car - 4 cyl 1.9 engine .I had to change fuel filters twice in two weekws rite after the fill up that I know the pump showed Ethanol on it . It started sputtering & showing lack of fuel . I even pulled the elements out of the tank & siphoned all the gas out . That lasted me 2 days before it started again . So I ordered a new pump assembly & installed it . So far its been ok . HTH ! God bless

There is nothing wrong with Methanol, Ethanol. MTBE, ETBE, IPA or any other alcohol used at as high as 25%. They don't eat lines and destroy engines.
www.fuelsandlubestechnologies.org

In newest premium 2strokes is ok when they are noted to be usable with E10, E15, E25. Prior to that- likely troubles. Small engine shops figure the E10 as job security for repair business. Early 4 strokes- some carb fouling problems. 2 strokes- fuel lines, carb and in a couple case engine seals failures. Motorcycles- my early Goldwing needed carb rebuild 2 years back. 1985 to 1990 american market is supposed to be safe for motorcycles, most raod vehicles- but small engine equipment didn"t get market certified types-and that was optional certificate- until 2002 or 2004. California market didn"t push it early like somethings as California was using MTBE instead of Ethanol as clean air additive until it was declared cancer causing. Brazillian market small engines were in most cases the earliest ones to be noted as meant to use E mixs. Look for iron and brass castings instead of aluminum/mag with zinc castings. German market? check your local version of EPA or DIN standards- might have a optional testing cetificate for Emix ot a date of mandatory compliance. I use straight gas if I have a choice for small engines and cycle, cars and van- premium if that is only straight gas available. RN

You go right on believing that ethanol does not hurt small engines. I have personally had several that had the fuel lines just dissolve with ethanol fuel. You can run what ever you want in your engines. I will not be using it if I can find other fuel.

J.D. Seller. You took the words right out of my mouth.

With respect, My experience is not in alignment with that. I will go with the destruction I have seen on fuel lines and plastic carb floats (ask Honda about carb floats in 1980s civic CVCC engines). Many deteriorated neoprene lines (internally) and serious devarnishing in the entire system from methanol/MTBE. Melted and shrunk plastic fuel lines on small equipment older than the late 70s. Jim

Your filters plugged because the new fuel was cleaning up all the gunk that straight gas had deposited in the tank for years-varnish. That was a problem here decades ago, when METHANOL was used as an oxygenate. We don"t get the same issues with ETHANOL.

I have had absolutely no problems.

It is 2011 ethanol is a fact of life, just forget
about it, everything will be all right. They are all
right about the fuel lines and the floats etc. but
that was years ago. same thing with bio-diesel, it
is a fact of life.

We have 10% ethanol here. I have to run it in my power equipment. All my Sthil, Shindiawa, echo 2cycles, briggs, kawai, kohler, and never had a problem with them. Some are over 10 years old. I have also run e85 in my 99 Dodge Dakota a few times, with no problems. Yes e85 may break down fuel lines, and rubber, but I dont think e10 hurts anything.

You will not be finding any without in the state of Ohio.

My 1998 Plymouth Voyager recemonds the E85 for use but it is not avaible around me. Have not checked the book for the 2000 Dakota.

Years ago I owned a fuel business, most of the time was spent delivering fuel to the farm storage tanks. We had several farmers using straight ethanol in their Chevy farm trucks. Paid the tax on it just like reg gas. We watched and monotored them for several hundred thousand miles. We never saw any evidence of fuel line deteration, no carb problems. The trucks were adjusted differently to run on 100% ethanol. The only time we saw any problems was with my own 1966 Wheelhorse Lawn ranger mower.

I won't run ethanol in anything of mine anymore, just for the simple fact that it produces so much less power. Plus I've had to rebuild or replace the carb on just about all my older gas powered equipment. Coincidence? Maybe. Pretty incriminating evidence to me.

never have had a problem. earlier years, i'd change the fuel filter on any unit not use to burning it. now it's never even a thought. the new gas doesn't live as long as the old stuff, whether it's straight or e-10. av-gas or racing gas is the ticket if u wanna have gas that doesn't go bad from sitting around for a year.

Just bought a new power washer with Honda engine. It says if you use E-85 gas it will void the warranty. If it ain't good for a Honda engine it must have probelms in lots of other engines too.

100lowlead. Av gas available at your local FBO. (fixed base operator....means little airport)

Brad

Well, let me stir the pot some. Try Googling adding Acetone to gasoline and see what you come up with.

Let me be the first to say that I have NEVER tried it, but was going to when I did have a gasoline powered car, and will never try that in my old AC-B lawn mower. Its too old to screw with, and I aint screwing with it, right down to the non-detergent oil that I still use in it.

BUT...my brother first told me about adding acetone to gasoline years ago. Listened to some scientist fella that supposedly does it and has been ever since Al Gore gasoline where stuff is added to cause less pollution, but gums up the motors, especially lawn mowers, and is less potent, so have to use more to get as far. Anyway, supposedly acetone counteracts the Al Gore additives, causing better fuel economy, and supposedly keeps the engine internals cleaner big time. As I understand it, it works well with premium grade gasoline, not so good with mid grade, and lousy with lowest grade. Rumor has it that when first use it, cleans the garbage out of the tank, which ends up in the filter, clogging stuff up, and I hear eats plastics and rubbers too, but once get the quirks worked out, is supposed to be the cats meow

Again, for the record I HAVE NEVER TRIED IT, although I bought it to try before I sold the gasoline car that I always ran premium in. Again, I aint going to try it in the AC-B,aint going to add to no diesel tractor or truck.

Maybe someone else has tried or heard of adding Acetone to gasoline? Try Googling "Adding acetone to gasoline", and you will find plenty on it, that's for sure.

Mark

sounds like when they took lead out of gas, it was an antiknock compound for low octane gas, but the chemicals used to replace it i was told caused problems with water contamination,biggest hyp was older engines would be plagued with valve and valve seat problems due to not having the cooling effect of leaded gas,funny thing is mine is still running 30 years later without valve problems ,2 different companies i worked for used WW11 surplus engines of all different brands without valve problems caused by burning unleaded gas