SAME tractors???

Anonymous-0 · Feb 19, 2011

Any of these in the States or Canada? Not really looking for a tractor anymore but have seen a few of these available. Just wondering what they are and if they are worth looking at.

Dave

Lou from Wi. · Feb 19, 2011

Dave, What I sent you in the E.Mail now shows up again.WARMEST REGARDS, LOU.

buickanddeere · Feb 19, 2011

They were imported for a while in the 1980's as a
bargain tractor.
There are a few shops around that carry parts for
the off brand and gray market tractors.
Nearest all brand dealer to here is in Newcastle
Ontario.
http://www5.ca-en.sparex.com/

Adirondack case guy · Feb 19, 2011

Dave;
There used to be a lot of them sold here in the northeast. They died out for some reason. Still are some in use around. One reason they sold well was their MFDs. The mainline US manufactures were slow in developing effective MFD tractors. They did catch up with European tech. and perhaps that's why SAME sales dropped off.

Wayne from Wi · Feb 19, 2011

About 20 or 30 years ago they were common in central Wisconsin. They are not seen often anymore. They had a lot of transmission issues. They were popular mostly in 4wd versions, and lower price. I think they were made in Italy. I wouldn't want one. Wayne

Mike M · Feb 19, 2011

My uncle had one way back in the late 70's or early 80's ?? In Ohio USA, Bought it new it had some hyd. rear end issues of some sort,but turned out someone broke a coke bottle off in the hyd. oil/tranny. This likely didn't help it any. I don't think he had any engine issues. It was a 4x4 guessing around 80-100 HP ?
Don't seem to see them much at all.

JayinNY · Feb 19, 2011

Every so often one turns up at the auction, I think I saw a SAME Tiger or something, They often sell pretty cheap. If you can get parts for them might be cheap power.

K. Peters · Feb 19, 2011

My dad bought a Jagaur 95 FWA back in the '80s. It was an inexpensive way for us to get four wheel drive and also cheap on fuel, had a gutless 5 cylinder air cooled diesel that struggled to pull 4-18's and a tough time with a 1-row corn chopper. The transmission had straight gearing so no tourqe amplifier was a big drawback as well. Fairly reliable during the time we had it and started good in cold weather without the aid of a block heater.
Would I buy one? No

Lou from Wi. · Feb 19, 2011

Great helpful reply. There may be some parts guy would have Dave's pump seals. NOW THAT'S HELPFUL!
WARMEST REGARDS LOU.

Lou from Wi. · Feb 19, 2011

Great helpful reply. There may be some parts guy would have Dave's pump seals. NOW THAT'S HELPFUL!
WARMEST REGARDS LOU.

Anonymous-0 · Feb 19, 2011

(quoted from post at 13:04:26 02/19/11) About 20 or 30 years ago they were common in central Wisconsin. They are not seen often anymore. They had a lot of transmission issues. They were popular mostly in 4wd versions, and lower price. I think they were made in Italy. I wouldn't want one. Wayne

did they have air cooled engines??? I'm finding some stuff now (not understanding everything) that suggests that the drivetrains are deutz (???) The ones I've seen have been road hard and put away wet but seem to be ready for more. As I said, not looking for a tractor any more, just trying to get smart on different brands in case something pops up that I can't afford to pass up.

Thanks, Dave

NY 986 · Feb 19, 2011

That was one reason but I remember the salesmen that would call on my father then indicated they could sell them for quite a bit less than the comparable domestic tractor of similar horsepower. One handled Case and the other John Deere and it was in the late 1970's when the domestics were seeing steep annual price increases. I remember a 4240 in 1981 was more than double what a similar equipped 4230 was in 1973. Kind of ironic as we have seen the same type of run-ups in the past couple of years.

Anonymous-0 · Feb 19, 2011

(quoted from post at 13:19:53 02/19/11) My dad bought a Jagaur 95 FWA back in the '80s. It was an inexpensive way for us to get four wheel drive and also cheap on fuel, had a gutless 5 cylinder air cooled diesel that struggled to pull 4-18's and a tough time with a 1-row corn chopper. The transmission had straight gearing so no tourqe amplifier was a big drawback as well. Fairly reliable during the time we had it and started good in cold weather without the aid of a block heater.
Would I buy one? No

That's funny.. The one I saw that made me ask in the first place had a 5cyl air cooled diesel 4x4 with cab. In pretty good shape but more than I need.

Dave

RN · Feb 19, 2011

SAME=Society Accomandita Motoi Endoternici. Now SDF SAME-Deutz-Fahr. Also has Lammborgini, Indian Greaves. Post WW2 outfit that made small 4wd diesels, fair sized mixed outfit now. Deutz-Fahr name used more now or SDF- sort of like old IHC after name changes Case-IHC, Case-IH/NH, whatever it is now that Fiat got into the mix. See if you have a Deutz-Fahr dealer near you or Lamborgini. RN

Bob Bancroft · Feb 19, 2011

Getting way off topic, but- I went to work at an AC dealer in 1972. I remember when the 200 replaced the 190XT. It was the first tractor we had come in with a factory cab, and the first to cost over $10,000. And, by the way, the last model we sold in any numbers.
Seems like a lifetime ago.

Anonymous-0 · Feb 19, 2011

(quoted from post at 13:31:08 02/19/11) SAME=Society Accomandita Motoi Endoternici. Now SDF SAME-Deutz-Fahr. Also has Lammborgini, Indian Greaves. Post WW2 outfit that made small 4wd diesels, fair sized mixed outfit now. Deutz-Fahr name used more now or SDF- sort of like old IHC after name changes Case-IHC, Case-IH/NH, whatever it is now that Fiat got into the mix. See if you have a Deutz-Fahr dealer near you or Lamborgini. RN

Finding that (at least I think I'm finding out) a few tractors carry a lot of different names. If I could just find something in english that made it dummy proof, I'd be a smart shopper. Local dealer is case/IHC. they are big headed to the point that any brand other than that on the used lot has a realistic price on it. When you ask the parts guys about parts, they either aren't available or are real expensive. I'm not unreasonable far from several other countries where plenty of non dinnertable names show up (Steyr, Lamborghini, Porsche, Fiat, etc) for much less than the "normal" tractors.

Bob Bancroft · Feb 19, 2011

I just found a business card I got from the North American marketing manager at the NY farm show a couple years ago. Another name/brand it mentions is Hurlimann?

Roy in UK · Feb 19, 2011

Funny thing, for a short while Deutz also produced a tractor with a 5 cylinder engine and it was a heap of rubbish too!

rrlund · Feb 19, 2011

Largest tractor manufacturer in the world. They build for everybody,Deere included.

Dave 2N · Feb 19, 2011

Are you trying to tell us that they are the SAME as some green and yellow ones??????????

Adirondack case guy · Feb 19, 2011

I know exactly what you are saying. I go down to my friends CNH dealership and he shows me a manure spreader that costs more than $50K and it doesn't even have a motor or trans. and tractors at $200K +. Mind boggling to me. Like you, I remember that $10K threshold too

RMinVa · Feb 19, 2011

Farmtrac had several models that were made by
SAME.
I have a Deutz Fahr agrofarm 100 4 cyl. water
cooled with the German Deutz engine in it. The
Agrofarm and smaller have the SAME engines. They
use Same Deutz Fahr as their name now but most of
the tractors I've seen are either Deutz Fahr or
SAME on the emblem. They just share different
parts for different models. I have a dealer near
me and have been very pleased with the tractor. I
started out with the Agrofarm 87 but wasn't heavy
enough for my needs so I traded it in for the
Agrofarm 100. Plenty of power and weight for me
now.

RN · Feb 19, 2011

Hurlimann? Yes. The Italian start company got a share of or bought, stock swapped companies in Switzerland, India, Finnland, Germany. The original companies name was kept in some countries for badged SAME or the other countries tractor was given a SAME tractor model name- the Indian made Greaves got a different name outside of India. Hurlimann may have been a Finnish outfit- after combining with SDF the other companies products may have been given a Hurliman model name for sale in other than Italian market. European Union trade rules have a couple quirks about sales across border, companion companies and use of original trademark names. France doesn"t have IHC dealers- the original name for parent company in France was CIMA-- something like Company International Manufacturer Agricultural (implied is ending "eqipment") so that trademark kept for the 1984 ending of IHC models and continuation plus the newer models derived from them and companian McCormicks from England. Here the best example maybe the Canadian Cockshuut and various Oliver models- Oliver made a couple models with same model number as Oliver but different color to be sold as Cockshutss, a couple models with different model numbers when sold by Cockshutt and Cockshutt made some completely different tractors than oliver or had a Oliver tranny with a different engine. Oliver also made Co-op tractor-- model30? - that was same as Cockshutt and Oliver model 30, different colors and badges, decals. AGCO now has fun with parts books. RN

Bob Bancroft · Feb 19, 2011

Getting much snow over there? Ice jams and floods yesterday. Been snowing all day here-several inches herenow.

Adirondack case guy · Feb 19, 2011

Yes, all day, Thruway and several state roads closed due to accidents, power lines down and white out conditions.

markinwis · Feb 19, 2011

My neighbor bought one in the late 70"s. 5-
cylinder, air cooled. 90 HP, Mechanical FWA w/cab
and heat. A fair amount cheaper than a 2WD 4030
with ROPS at the time, if my memory is correct. Was
good basic power until he quit farming and sold it.

Sure · Feb 19, 2011

I SURE DO SEE you putting that Picture up that you like of yourself Dave 2 dumb to know the difference beween a Troll and a hook,,,

rrlund · Feb 19, 2011

Well.....kinda,except that it's actually pronounced Sommy. Unless you wanna start a fun pest right here. LOL

Leroy · Feb 20, 2011

Northwest Ohio never heard of them, saw an advertisement once, only thing I know about them I learned here.

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