Tinkerer thoughts and comments

I love tinkering and making stuff and had a thought. On auto power steering, the control valve uses the torque to divert fluid flow to the right side of cylinder for the steering assist. Wonder if I took the valve off a worn steering gear, could i machine a new lower cover and adapt it to an old tractor to control a cylinder on the front axle and have power steering? Has anyone tried something like this. I know it may not be a practical thing to do, but wheres the fun in practical LOL. Just wanting some thoughts from others who like to tinker like me. Oh and one clarification, I mean to only use the control valve on the steering shaft and gear already on the tractor.




Have a great weekend all
Charlie

Tho old ford mustangs had a system quite common to many industrial applications where the actuator is placed in the steering rod from the box and actuates a separate hydraulic assist.

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all the early 60's smaller Ford's had the same system...i toyed with the idea of using one on my '62 Ford 2000 tractor but never found a good donor car.
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Massey combines used it too. I was always tempted to get one from the boneyard and put it on a Ferguson 30 that I had,but I got rid of the tractor before I did it.

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A friend of mine has used GM power steering sectors to completely replace the worn out sectors on old tractors and even converted one on an Allis grader. Mount the GM box in the proper place and modify or fabricate the pitman arm to resemble the original, he likes to get the number of turns lock to lock to duplicate the original so it drives the same. Works like a charm.

Short word of caution given me years ago:
Just don't reach through the steering wheel when you first start it...
guys have had their arms broke durin power steering mods.
BTW--No insult intended, I'm sure you'd put it together right.
Just thought I'd take opportunity to mention that it has happened.

could you expand on that a little? i have a 504 that needs ps, and a massey 510 parts combine for a donor.

put power steering on my 70 john deere using behlen powersteering pump and a steering motor off of a 6620 combine to steering shaft put steering cyl on widefront

I plan on doing something similar.. But different..

I'm going to assemble a tractor from a wide array of things I been collecting. It won't technically be a "doodlebug", as I'm starting with a Massey-Harris chassis..

I plan to assemble it, and call it a 33 special diesel. It will be powered by a 2-71 Detroit from a scrapped crawler.

I saved the steer axle, steer cylinder, and steering motor from a scrapped MF 750 combine and I'm going to turn that into my front end. I don't care for how the MH wide fronts really turn, so with the hydraulics, and a different front end, I should have a different turning radius, and easier steering, plus built stronger..

This is all in a quest to have something that is like no other. I plan to invest a lot of time, so it looks almost like something that could have been produced, as opposed to a pile of scrap iron.

The plus side to my project is I have saved all the parts this far from being scrapped. The tractor chassis was headed to the crusher, it was already less a engine, most tinwork, radiator, etc.. I bought the crawler engine from a scrapper, and I scrapped the Massey combine. What tinwork I have collected now was destined for scrap, as it's pretty beat up.. but a little time will straighten it up, and if i have to cut and hack, I'm not ruining any good tin, just what was being discarded from someone else's project.

Brad

I think all the fords had that in the 60's. The 63 Galexy my wife had was that way. Very simple to adapt to a tinker application.

Areo

That cylinder on the tie rod self activates when you start to turn. It should be open center so all you'd have to do in my estimation,is run a live line through it and weld up some brackets to hold it. I figured torch the ones off the combine.

Woops,hang on. You said you had a 510. I shouldn't have just said Massey combines have that set up. The 300 Masseys had it. The 510 was a hydrostatic power steering. A WHOLE different ballgame. You'd need the cylinder from a 300 to put power steering on that tractor.

Ya, I guess my setup would be "hydrostatic steering" not "power steering".. Either way, it'll work out for me, I hope LOL

Brad

ok, that makes a lot more sense. thanks.