things that really Irk me....

Part 1.

Put out on several different boards here that I was looking for a tractor between 35 and 60 HP, with or without FEL, must have some type of cab, no turbo or automatic trans, must be ready to pass inspection, get plates, and go to work. Color not important.
Please (I really said please) EMAIL or PM all offers with pics, details, price, and where it is located.
Got about 10 mails/PM's. 2 with ebay links which was fine. The rest were things like
what do you want to spend?
What kind are you looking for?
one guy said "got 2, one needs some work" asked for pics and details and he said do a search in this forum and you'll find the details. Told him that if he wanted to sell me a tractor to give me the info I asked for along with price and pics. He gave me some info and said make me an offer. I said 20 bucks, now send me your price along with pics.
Others asked for my number or gave me theres without even mentioning what they had. Hard to believe folks are so thick headed.

Done now.

Dave

PEOPLE SKILLS DAVE PEOPLE SKILLS REMEMBER??????
We have one here but we require your SS# ,medical records, bank account numbers, and credit cards.
Awaiting your kind reply. Cantankerious LOU

It's good to know how much you want to spend so you're not wasting anybodies time. If someone has a tractor they need $10,000 out of and you only want to pay $5000, it's not even worth responding. If you only want to spend $2000, don't expect anyone to offer a tractor in good working condition. The more info you provide the better, especially regarding your budget. Dave

I agree with you Dave. This site has some of the smartest and most helpful people on the internet. But there are some that make me scratch my head. I put a post that says having issues with X, I have a manual and etc. First respose says "you can download a manual at..."
Someone else posts "I just got this tractor for Free" comment is "how much did it cost"
I guess some folks are in such a hurry to help they don"t read all that is written.

You need to include a price range,no sense in wasting both your and the sellers time if they have a $40,000 tractor and your limit is $20,000.Plus there are a whole lot of 'wanted' ads from people looking to buy only at rock bottom prices so wanted ads tend to get ignored.The more infomation you can include in what you're looking for the better the response will be as to brands,HP etc

Yeah, I have a WD Allis Chalmers I will sell you for
$600 and I'll throw in a canvas heat-houser. There
is a Farmhand loader too if you want. NOW, tell me
what YOU want please.

(quoted from post at 06:55:06 01/26/11) Yeah, I have a WD Allis Chalmers I will sell you for
$600 and I'll throw in a canvas heat-houser. There
is a Farmhand loader too if you want. NOW, tell me
what YOU want please.

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I left it open to avoid getting offers for only one color. I DID go back and put a max price in my requests. Problem now will be the goldplated junk that flows in. Something will turn up at the right time I guess. You prolly meant it as a joke, but your offer could fit the bill if I was close by.

Dave

Well I kinda thought you probably wanted something a
little newer but yes, the tractor is for sale. It
needs a good home.

So what is your maximum price and do you want a 3 pt. hitch? Dave

Buyers and sellers often have a hard time getting together on their thinking, one wanting cheap but good, other wanting top dollar. There's a lot of 'showmanship' and 'tire kicking' along the way.

Just the nature of the beast.

If you needed a tractor today, you'd be buying local or off tractor house or scouring the classified sections yourself or the like, get it bought & start using it. You'd see a lot of eager sellers out there.

If you were looking for one special tractor, you would narrow it down to what exactly you are looking for. You'd have a real goal for people to aim for, you'd be serious about looking for a 'something'.

What your message is actually saying:

I want a good but really cheap tractor, I got lots of time, so I will waste some of mine, and some of yours, and see what is out there, look over 40 different offers, and chew on some that suits my fancy, see if I can get a deal. But I don't really need it now so I'm not really going to move fast on your offers, I want people to come to me.


This is what I read from your message. I'm not sure that's what you intend to say, but it's what I read.

So, if you are in the tire kicking, time wasting mode, I suppose you will get more of those responses back at you than real, serious, want to sell now, sort of replies.

Just how I see it. And yea, there are a lot of thick-headed people out there.

--->Paul

I agree with you Paul. He's been debating about getting a bigger tractor for at least a year but seems to be on a very limited budget. Usually the tire kickers are people that come to look with no real intetion of buying. Not someone placing an ad looking for something they aren't sure of. Dave

Dave,

Basically, what you're looking for is someone who's gonna wait on you hand and foot. Someone who'll tolerate your (many) idiosyncrasies without complaint and give you a helluva deal on a good tractor.

You've been a tire kicker for a long time on a tractor. Every one you come across, you bring on here and moan and complain about this and that - too much money, person too much of a pain, too small, too far away, blah blah, blah. How long will it take for you to figure out they're all not the problem?

I would pay good money to see you try to buy something from yourself. I wonder who would shoot who first - you as the buyer or you as the seller.

The Germans are incredibly good people. I spent three months working on a farm near Emmelsbull in Nordfriesland, north of Hamburg. They obviously have a huge amount of patience to have tolerated me for three months, but your neighbors should be nominated for sainthood for tolerating you for years.

Pretty much everyone is (or should be) on a limited budget (limited by common sense). I ask the info up frt and per email so that I can decide if I am interested or not and tell them in a reply without the tirekicking or life stories. If folks would price things closer to what they are worth or expect to get instead of hoping for a sucker that is in a bind, there wouldn't be a need to haggle. One guy local that was asking a bunch for some stuff that I needed (wanted) ended up letting some go on ebay for a few bucks and hauling the rest off to the scrap yard. Ended up finding better stuff for less than half what he asked for.

People price things based on what they think not what you think they should be priced at. When it comes to certain things not everyone is on a limited budget. You just explained why you're wasting peoples time! Give a price range and the features you want in a tractor. Then decide which ones you're interested in but don't take a month of days to decide. That just wastes more time. Dave

(quoted from post at 01:10:15 01/27/11) People price things based on what they think not what you think they should be priced at. When it comes to certain things not everyone is on a limited budget. You just explained why you're wasting peoples time! Give a price range and the features you want in a tractor. Then decide which ones you're interested in but don't take a month of days to decide. That just wastes more time. Dave

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Let's just try not to answer each other's posts. You got your feelings hurt while you were complaining about your various jobs and are on a mission to get even regardless if what you say makes sense or not.
The original post was pretty simple. No whining or moaning, just that if I am plain in what I ask for (in this case what you have, location, and price per email) then reply accordingly or don't waste my (or your) time.

Do that and get an immediate reply from me of either no thanks or give me your address and an appointment to come see it.
BLUF: Bottom Line Up Front

How nice would it be to open up a paper or ad and see "80HP tractor $10,000"? You could decide in a glance if you wanted to read the rest of the or move on.
As soon as I put in a max price on the forums here, that's what everyone wanted, within a couple hundred bucks, for what they offered up. I set my max about 1k above the high prices on the only tractor ad site that I've found. Things will get weeded out and something will come up or not. As long as my existing tractor does the job, I'm not desperate and can wait on a reasonable Joe to come along.

Dave

I'm not trying to get even with anyone. It's just common sense. There are thousands of used tractors for sale. Putting a very vague ad does waste a lot of peoples time. If you put a price range and the features you're looking for won't waste peoples time but will help to narrow your search. If someone responded with what you were looking for that was $500 over your budget, you might be interested. If they were $3000 over, they probably wouldn't respond. No one is going to give their bottom line price in an e-mail. Just the opposite. If they know you're looking, they're more likely to give you an exxagerated price thinking you're desperate. Your logic is what doesn't make sense. Just look at the replies other than mine. Dave

You're really expecting too much from a wanted ad.

Give it up and take the responsibility for the search yourself. Take your wanted ad down. Only reply to for sale ads. That way you only make contact with people that might deal with you on what you want.

Otherwise you get to deal with all the kooks, nutcases, rubes and riff-raff. You still might have to deal with a few, but at least it won't be ALL of them...

A wanted ad is basically just a giant "KICK ME" sign on your back... and you're wondering why you keep getting kicked?