What are some of the Biggest Detroit Diesels in tractors

TelenetDan · Jan 22, 2011

I am trying to determine what were some of the bigger detroits that were used in both 2wd tractors and 4wd tractors...I know there were 2-53's used in John Deeres, 3-53's, 4-53's, 3-71 and maybe 4-71's in Olivers and some MF, but what were some other applications. I know a lot of 5020's got re-powered with the 318 6V53 and of course there is the Big Bud w/ a V16...But are there others?

Thanks

willie in mn · Jan 22, 2011

Saw a 8V92 in a 5020, think that around 430 horse.
318 would be a 8V71.
Willie

Mike (WA) · Jan 22, 2011

I always thought the "318" was the displacement- and would be a 6V53. But maybe I'm wrong.

Dennis K (WA) · Jan 22, 2011

Probably not considered a farm tractor but was 4wd. The D500 Hough rubber tired dozer had a V16 71 series. This was a machine used in construction and mining.

Tom West Mi · Jan 22, 2011

I use to run a Terex TS-24 twin engine earthmover pan. It had a V-12 front engine and a V-6 rear engine and could move 24 cubic yards of dirt in a load. It also had push pull hitches on it and on some jobs we would hitch three or four together to load. They would also put a TD-25 Dresser dozer behind us pushin and that had a 1150 cummins in it. On these big jobs we would burn 2000 gallons of fuel a day with all the equipment running. It was a lot of fun. We worked long hours and made good money but now in West Mi. those kind of big jobs are long gone. They haven't run those pans in years.

Anonymous-0 · Jan 22, 2011

I think the 8-71 was referred to as a 318 because that was the HP of a common version of it? Dave

rrlund · Jan 22, 2011

I think the first number is the number of cylinders and the last 2 numbers are the displacement per cylinder isn't it? So that the 3-71 would be a 3 cylinder,71 cubic inches per cylinder?

Lyndon - AB · Jan 22, 2011

I thought so too when I first got into Detroits. But after some research, found out it was horsepower. The 318 is an 8V71, the 238 is a 6-71, I think the 350 was either the 8V71T or 6V92TA. I can't remember the rest of them, I usually just go with the engine designation, i.e. 6V53, 8V92T, 6-71, etc.

Fred Rogers · Jan 22, 2011

6-71 and 8V-71 were two of the more popular sizes in their day for use in semi tractors with 238 HP and 318 HP respectively

Mike (WA) · Jan 22, 2011

That clears it up. I heard guys talk about a dump truck with a 318- I thought it was a 6V53, which seemed kind of light for a Kenworth. 8V71 makes a lot more sense.

Lyndon - AB · Jan 22, 2011

Exactly right. And when it applied, they added on a T for turbocharged, A for aftercooled, and TT for turbocharged with constant horsepower.

Lyndon - AB · Jan 22, 2011

The John Deere 8010 and 8020 used a 6-71 Detroit. The 435 Deere and the 440 diesel industrials used a 2-53. M-R-S, Wagner, and Big Bud all played with a few Detroits at one time or another. There were a few Allis crawlers that used Detroits. I've heard of people dropping Detroits into older Versatiles, but I don't think any came from the factory with them. The original Steiger tractor had a 238 Detroit for power.

So far as I know, only 3-71's and 4-53's made their way into Olivers. And can you tell me which Massey Fergusons used Detroits? Never heard of that before.

Did I miss any?

Lyndon

Anonymous-0 · Jan 22, 2011

They only made one V 16 747 Big Bud I believe, it was not a production tractor. However Big Bud did have a production tractor, called the 400-20 that used a 8V92T Detroit (1150 Cubic inch),a neighbor of uncle in South Dakota had one. I think somewhere it its bewildering line of tractors Steiger used the 8V71T.

Janicholson · Jan 22, 2011

Tractor Big Bud 747--- engine Manufacturer: Detroit Diesel

Model: 16V92T

Fuel: diesel

Aspiration: turbocharged

Cylinders: 16

Valves: -unknown-
Bore/Stroke: -unknown-
Displacement: 1472 ci [24.1 L]

Power: 900 hp [671.1 kW]

Cooling: liquid

Compression: -unknown-
Rated RPMs: 2100

Starter volts: 24

Jim

trucker 40 · Jan 22, 2011

A 318 Detroit is an 8v 71.A 350 Detroit is a 6 v 92 with a turbo,or I think a 318 with a turbo is also 350 horsepower.An 8 v92 is over 400 horsepower.92 engines have wet sleeves,71 engines have dry sleeves.Most of the smaller ones like 53 series are dry sleeves if I remember right.

Dean · Jan 22, 2011

I believe that the "biggest" Detroits used by OEM farm tractor manufacturers were the 453 and 371. I do not believe that any OEM farm tractor manufacturer used anything larger unless you include crawlers.

Dean

trucker 40 · Jan 22, 2011

Detroit 2 stroke engines are classed like this.8 V 71.Means 8 cylinders at 71 cubic inches per cylinder.A 3 L 53 would be 3 cylinders,in line, at 53 cubic inches per cylinder.Thats about all I remember except that a 318 has 318 horsepower,a 350 has 350 horsepower a T means it is supposed to have a Turbo on it. An L 6 291 means its an inline 6 cylinder engine with 291 horsepower.If it had dry sleeves it would be a 71 series if it had wet sleeves it would be a 92 series.6 V 92s had 350 horsepower with a turbo,but they were a V engine not inline.Inline 6 cylinders were older engines,v6 engines were newer,fuel squeezer types.I dont remember if a 291 was wet or dry sleeves,I think wet.

Gold-Leaf-Deere · Jan 22, 2011

There is a Case L with a 6/71 that sold at the King Auction last year..Years ago a feller in Southern Indiana that had a UC AC with a 6/71. The 5012 John Deere in Minnesota is a 5010 with a 12/71. None of these were ever used for field work .

Jon Hagen · Jan 22, 2011

The early Steigers with the "V" grill opening had I believe a 6V-53, dont think it was a 6V-71

I farmed for many years with a Versatile 125 I repowered with a 6-71, 238 HP.
As others stated, the 318 and 350 were 8V-71's
The 318 HP being normally aspirated, the 350 HP having a turbocharger.

Lyndon - AB · Jan 22, 2011

The 8V92 is only 736 cu. in. Steiger did use an 8V71N in the 3300, but not an 8V71T. A lot of the the Barn Series Steigers used Detroits of various shapes and sizes. When they went into major production, Cat and Cummins engines were the norm.

Lyndon - AB · Jan 22, 2011

From what I can dig up, some of both were used. The 1700 did use a 6V53N. The 2200 used a 6V71N.

I think my sources are pretty good, but I can't swear that they're perfect.

Lyndon

Anonymous-0 · Jan 22, 2011

You are correct. Did perhabs Versatle ever use Detroits, or were those all Cummings ?

TelenetDan · Jan 22, 2011

Will the 8V-71 accept a 8V-92 Sleeve or are the blocks totally different

Lyndon - AB · Jan 22, 2011

Versatile never used Detroits, but I have heard of a number of them being swapped in later after the original Cummins engines wore out. At the start, Versatile played with a few different gas engines at the start, but all the diesels were Cummins. Worked on a few small cam 855's and one 903 while I worked for a New Holland dealership.

Lyndon - AB · Jan 22, 2011

Different. Trucker40 hit dead on, the 8V71 is dry-sleeve, the 8V92 is wet-sleeve. Some components will switch over, but the major parts (i.e. block, heads) are different.

1206SWMO · Jan 22, 2011

The 98 Massey used a 3-71 Detroit..It was just an Oliver Super 99 with MF sheet metal.Theres a 98 in the current Hook magazine on page 36.

John Harmon · Jan 22, 2011

My dad had 2 Oliver 99's with 4 cyl. Gas engines.They were from the 1930's I think. Around 1952 he got the new tractor bug and started shopping for a replacement for the oldest of the Hart Parrs. He did not like what Oliver had to offer then as the 1952-53 99's were almost the same as the old 99's he had so he waited till 1954 and got a Super 99 with a 6 cyl. diesel engine ,I think it was a Waukesha, A 6 speed Transmission and the Fleet Line body style. He looked at the 3 cyl Detroits but the noise was too much for any of us so he got the Oliver Motor in it. It was a real nice tractor .

Lyndon - AB · Jan 22, 2011

Right! My bad, I knew that. I've seen one at a local pull. *smack forehead*

Thanks for keeping me on my toes!

Lyndon

MikeinKy · Jan 22, 2011

Massey 98 had a Detroit.

VicS · Jan 22, 2011

I have a neighbor who is putting a 12V-71 from a Terex pull in a Oliver 2255, Don't know how far along he is. The local scrap yard got 3 or 4 of those pulls with two engines, he couldn't stand it so bought one for 200 a ton. I think they still have one.

cadet trooper · Jan 22, 2011

OK guys since we're going down memory lane weren't the earlier detroits GM's supercharged with ported intakes and exhaust valves and two cycle? Thus the noise.

Anonymous-0 · Jan 22, 2011

The 92 series are known to blow up with regularity too. I think the silvers 92's were beefed up but I heard that GM designed the 92 series around the 71 series bottom end but it didn't hold up to the extra power. When I was looking for used dump truck, the guy at one shop said he would never buy a truck with a 92 series engine again. Everyone he had ever bought had major problems. He had good luck with 6-71's and 8-71's though other than the common oil leaks. Dave

John A. · Jan 22, 2011

Guys The Gehl silage choppers were powered by 8V-71 318 hp Detroits. I have seen Kenworths with the old 12V-71 430 hp.
I was on a fishing boat in the Gulf of Mexico one time. A fishing trip as a Groomsman present to wedding I was in the early 80s,,, 80 ft long and 2 16V-71 setting side by side . What a magical sound and flat out it would run 24 Knots, but those 2 old sows would suck Dsl at an alarming rate, 18 knots was the most economical speed.
Later,
John A.

Lyndon - AB · Jan 23, 2011

Yeah, the early green 92's had issues, but the 8V71's were no angels either. Seen a few with broken cranks. I haven't personally spent much time with the green 92's, more with the silvers. One of the grain trucks at the farm I work at now and again has a silver 6V92T at 330 hp. I can't kill it. Just add oil and go, wide open throttle. Every engine has its achilles heel and lemons. I've had some suicidal cummins engines too.

Lyndon

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