Definitions

For the sake of an arguement and folks trying to protect their credibilty, I would like the definiton of the following terms or descriptions relating to a 50 year old tractor.

"Original"
"Unrestored original"
"Standard"
"Running tractor"

Honest answers, no trolling.

I'd put the first two together and prolly even the 3rd. People add words to the root depending on degree of neckiness. Standard could be one that don't have a studebaker generator rigged up to work.
4th is free game.

Dave

Agrred, the first two are used interchangably, the one that stands out is "standard". That is normally the term (by the mfgr) to identify units that were made for wheatland type applications, as opposed to row crop. Std tractors usually are a bit lower and blockier in appearance, specifically do not have adjustable tread width. Some were all std, such as the JD "R", while the 70 was available both ways, and looks quite different. A friend has always been after me to create a tongue in cheek guide to advertised tractor conditions, ie: Barn Stock, Fencerow condition, restoration ready, etc.

A standerd refers to a wide frontend fixed non ajustable wheel width for the most part . Dont think it has anything to do with rednecks .

Original or restored
Standard or row crop
Running or not

Allan

You're never ever EVER going to get everyone to agree on a uniform definition for tractor conditions.

One man's complete restoration will always be another man's rattle can paint job.

You'd be better off trying to herd cats, or get everyone to agree on something political.

The best thing to do is to look and form your own opinion on the tractor, regardless of what they say about it, if it is not what you want then dont buy. If you and the owner cant agree on the shape it is in then leave it there.

730d se,
Ok....IMO,
1, original, as it came from the factory, no aftermarket, or farmer or field modifications
2,unrestored original, term used for paint condition No evidence or being repainted ever
3,Standard, a wheat land model of tractor mostly have a non adjustable front end and No 3 pt hitch, just a draw bar
4,running, the tractor will start and drive, No other promises. usually a term for older tractors or vehicles that have been put away and not used much or parked on a fence row, somewhat derelict. Hope this helps.
Later,
John A.

My take..fwiiw.

1 and 2 would be the same. nothing touched, from the factory with wear and tear.
Standard not the de luxe
Running the last time I used it.

You get all those Pony's home, now you can open up a ridding ranch live music hoedown in your spare time.

Oh heck,

I'm gonna end up spending all summer breakin' horses (groan)! :>(

Going back for another load here shortly. Pretty darned sure the ponies are maybe the reason I'm broke all the time....... :>(

Allan

good defintions explained ..TERM' Ran LaST tIME wE USED IT' IS A FAVORITE OF LOCAL aUCTIONEER ,,, DUHH.? if it dont Run , who could be able to use it ?

I agree with you 100%; could not have said it better myself.

Great replies folks. Now, for those of you that do not have more money than sense, these answers should give you a good clue as to who to consider buying from and who to stay away from. LOL
It starts off that it is a 730 Diesel ES Standard (one I have been looking for), "unrestored original", "running tractor". Blah, blah, blah.
From the picture ad it looked like a Std, at first.
What it turns out to be is a Row Crop with a standard wide front on it to make it "look" like a std for those that don't know what they are looking at. It is very obvious with closer pics that it has been repainted, and it is far from "original" based on some cobbled up parts and welding in critical areas.
It also went from "running tractor" to "it belongs to someone else and they ran it but it was years ago and they ain't no battery to try it." How can you get "running tractor" out of that? They all ran at one time. LOL
Maybe you live somewhere else, but not all tractors that come up for sale are easy driving distance for me. I have to reply on honest descriptions and good clear pics.
How about I show up with Monpoly money to pay for it, would that work out well for them? LOL
I don't see a problem with lying about the money if they don't see a problem lying about what they are selling. Sounds like a real fair deal, right?
No matter what they tell you, it is perfectly fine and acceptable to play hard ball on the descriptions, especially when you point out the discrepancies that they STILL stick to their story and lies.
These are not issues about it being "50 years old", these are issues about folks that purposely state false things about what they have for sale.
It has never been right, and it will never be right for them to do that.

Old car guys have a term for cars found in rustic storage- "barn fresh". I've seen a few of those, and they never look very "fresh" to me.

In the car hobby, we're getting into second generation barn finds. Guys my age bought them 40 years ago, with every good intention of restoring/rodding them, but life got in the way. So those are coming out for the second time, for the next round of owners. Helped a college buddy drag a '31 Chrysler coupe home in eastern Washington in about '67- he and his dad almost got it running a few times, but never finished it. I suppose it will be in my friend's estate sale someday.

Allan,Might that fancy truck and trailer have more to do with you being broke than the ponies?

James, Thank you! I just threw it together on the fly while waiting for coffee to make this am. Hope You and Nancy are starting to thaw out. We just are not use to seeing the temps we have been seeing here in this part of Texas since Sunday!
Maybe we will put a dent in the fly and mosquito population for awhile we still had mosquito s just prior to Christmas. Take care and we hollar later.
Later,
John A.

He'll have to sell that rig to buy more hay by next year! (Just teasing)

Naw,

I only use that truck to get around in when one of my horses is broke down and in the shop. (wink, wink). :>)

Allan

My favorite recently is "field ready". My idea of field ready and others is quite different after looking at a few implements recently. If the shovels are worn out, one missing and cracked hoses are obvious on a field cultivator, then IMHO it"s not field ready.

Maybe "field ready" to some means it is worn completely out and ready to be left in the field out of the way of good implements.

jim macfadden (auctioneer in NY) always promises that it was "once new".