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I hope I do not start a fire on this If I DO I Am sorry This is how I Feel , all of this BS kids getting DADS gun and shooting up the school or shooting his class mates, is BS.
Why if DAD had that gun locked up and out of the reach of hands that don’t need it
Or don’t respect it, it his just as much DADS fault as the kid that did the shooting, and DAD should be punished right along with the kid. Unless if the gun was in a locked box or gun cabinet and the kid broke the locks then that is a different story. Then the kid should be punished to the max.
AGAIN I AM SORRY
JR.FRYE
 
It is not a problem with guns at school,I will say it again it IS NOT a problem with guns at school.
When I was in high school (2000 or so students) many of us were deer hunters we would hunt in the morning then go to class. Yes the guns were in the car with all our ammo and guess what not one single shooting. I carried a pocket knife to school every day and I know I was not alone. Guess what not one single stabbing. Oh there were fights and there was bullying but not one single shooting or stabbing.
 
I disagree. I don't care what kind of parents you have, no one can grow up in this society without knowing right from wrong. I grew up around guns all my life and I've lost my temper a time or two, but I never shot anybody. There's too many bleeding hearts in this country who are too ready to put the blame where it don't belong. Maybe they should start teaching anger management in schools. That might be something to think about, but don't go blaming the guy who didn't pull the trigger. No offense meant.
 
Your post has more to do with the phrase BS, the word sorry and locks. Than your post has to do with morals and responsibility.
 
JR
I made the post about the 12yr old shooting his 10yr old friend. A BAZARE foot note to this Tragedy. The dead childs grandfather was killed this week while leaving the cemetary on foot, and was struck and killed while trying to cross I87 just north of Albany, NY. He was hit buy a car which stopped and reported the acident. Two 18 wheelers also ran over his body after the initial accident and didn't stop, perhaps thinking the body was an animal or didn't even have time to avoid it, or never knew they hit anything.
I do have this question for you JR. What good is a gun locked up in a gun cabinet when you have an intruder in your home and he is between you and the cabinet, and how much time do you have to open a cabinet, load a gun and confront this individual? It
all boils down to the fact that if you own guns and have kids, they need to be taught to use and respect them. Kids today do not know the definition of DEAD BY GUNSHOT until they experience it (vidio games with guns should be regulated, as they encourage kids to point guns and fire. No big deal just move to next screen)
 
(quoted from post at 16:39:24 01/06/11)
I hope I do not start a fire on this If I DO I Am sorry This is how I Feel , all of this BS kids getting DADS gun and shooting up the school or shooting his class mates, is BS.
Why if DAD had that gun locked up and out of the reach of hands that don’t need it
Or don’t respect it, it his just as much DADS fault as the kid that did the shooting, and DAD should be punished right along with the kid. Unless if the gun was in a locked box or gun cabinet and the kid broke the locks then that is a different story. Then the kid should be punished to the max.
AGAIN I AM SORRY
JR.FRYE
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Startin' to sound like a bleedin heart JR......Better switch back to tractors.

Bottom line, he took a life or two. Plus side is he took himself out and saved a bunch of tax dollars.


Dave
 

It is more the kids fault then the dad, The kid pulled the trigger not the dad. If the kid took a louisville slugger to school and clubbed and killed 2 people then he would be just as guilty. Murder is Murder regardless of what weapon is used.

And this BS of "a gun free school zone" Is so fricken stupid. All that does is tell a whack job, Hey...In this building are a bunch of defenseless kids and teachers. Have at it and blast away.

Peace through firepower is a great way to neutralize a threat.
 
I grew up in that same era. We all had shotguns and or rifles in our cars starting with squirrel season on thru the end of rabbit season. Then the high powers for fox or coyote up until spring. Then we "carried" on the tractor. Not one shooting occured because we had respect for others and their property. We learned respect thru discipline. Trouble today is little or no respect, from lack of discipline.
 
Yep JD720, it was like that when I went to school too. Of course that was back in an era when most parents did a much better and more thorough job of raising their children, obviously thinking it was a duty more important than trying to gain obstentious wealth and high social standing.
 
I agree with you. Rifle kept in the trunk or behind the seat, hunting afterwards. Fights in school, was in a few myself, but I never shot or stabbed anyone, nor did anyone else in the school that I went to when I went. Something changed somewhere.

We had families that knew, taught, and focussed on the difference between right and wrong. These days kids drive by schools, houses, all kinds of places and shoot at others for wearing the wrong colors. That aint the fault of the guns. Its the fault of society tolerating and making excuses for it to overlook it as it spreads like cancer.

Imagine being a little kid and being expelled from school for DRAWING a picture of a gun or running around the playground with your friends playing cowboy and indians yelling "bang, bang, bang" while pointing your fingers at each other in a "no tolerance" school. Expelled, and mandated to go see a shrink until you get a permission slip to come back to school.

Mark
 
(quoted from post at 17:44:15 01/06/11) I grew up in that same era. We all had shotguns and or rifles in our cars starting with squirrel season on thru the end of rabbit season. Then the high powers for fox or coyote up until spring. Then we "carried" on the tractor. Not one shooting occured because we had respect for others and their property. We learned respect thru discipline. Trouble today is little or no respect, from lack of discipline.
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I agree with that 100%. When I did something wrong and got caught, then had the leather meet the hind end, you don't do that again. I didn't like it then , but now I know respect for other people and their belongings. Kids now days want everything handed to them and have to do nothing in return. I just heard on the news a 10yr old shot his mother in ths back of the head , because he was arguing about the chores he was supposed to do. A 10yr old!!!
 
this tragedy is more about the kids state of mind and less about guns, fix society and their theories on families and child raising first
 
I am so glad someone finally mentioned the word "respect". That to me is the number one issue with today's society in general. There seems to be very little respect and for some reason too many people have what I call a self entitlement attitude; meaning - "If they want something or want to do something - they'll get it or do it regardless of the consequences." We need to have respect for each other first and foremost and that needs to be taught at home from the git go. Just a ladies perspective!
 
That still goes on today in the rural schools.

I don't worry too much about a farm kid with a gun. He or she is quite likely to be a better gun handler than I am.

A case in my own family - my grandaughter is on the highschool skeetshooting team. She recently hit 92 out of a hundred in competition. She's fired more rounds in two years than I have in my lifetime.

I can promise you that she will never be in the headlines for shooting up the school.

Paul
 
I'm caught with a dilemma. If an intruder breaks in while I'm asleep there is no way I'm going to be able to get my gun, load it and use it in time. So, what are some of you doing? What are opinions on this matter? There is a grandchild in the house occasionally. What odds do we play, never needing it or a terrible accident?
1. Keep it loaded and well out of reach.
2. Keep it unloaded with ammo near by.
3. Keep it unloaded with ammo in a different location.
4. Keep it locked up with ammo in it, nearby or in a different location.
Not wanting to start a bashing party but seeking good opinions.
 
Great idea lock up all the guns and hey sometimes kids take a car and end up killing someone with it so take the engine out and the wheels off every night so the kids can't drive it.And then there is football where kids sometimes get killed I guess dress them in bubble wrap and styrofoam before the game.
 
Grandpa used to tell the story of some kids that hid in the loft of the old country school and waited for the teacher to come so they could do some harm to her. She showed up and heard them and got out of there, everyone always figured they were going to kill her and burn the school down. This wuld have taken place in the 1930's. My guess this has been going on in some way, shape, or form for as long as there have been schools. I would agree that the real tradgedy is his state of mind.
 
Well...who do we blame for not teaching are children about WRIGHT AND WRONG. Some like to say it is societies fault.Who is society?EVERY last one of YOU are soiciety,so you blame yourself? It is up to US PARENTS to teach are children,if we don't are we not to blame for what they do? It may not be DAD who pulled the trigger,but what did DAD do or did DAD not do to keep the kid from pulling the trigger? IT still goes back to his fault.YES there are few very few exceptions.eg(mental disorders). As was mentioned below discipline creates RESPECT.With no respect for others or yourself what have you got? I don't need a loaded gun to protect me in my house.I have been taught to turn the other cheek."what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul" "though shalt not kill" are grounds that I and many have stood on in the past and with that I can always get a good night sleep. TO GOD BE THE GLORY.
 
Guns are not the problem it is how a child is taught that is the problem. Spare the rod and spoil the child is where part of the problem is. The other part is this stupid no fight thing that is in schools now. Fighting was is part of growing up but if you do not let nature happen then something else will happen. If children are taught what a gun is and how to use and not use it then a lot less thing would happen that do. No gun that is locked up is any good to any body and again it goes back to it is not the gun that is the problem but the way children are taught now days
 
I keep a breach loading 12 gauge handy for those reasons, gun in the corner by the bed and shells in the bedside drawer, every thing where I can find it in the dark. I can be loaded and ready in 10 seconds or so. Put the gun and shells up during the day.
 
Why hasn't someone mentioned the video games? I have heard that crapola a few times.

When I was a child, I watched the cowboys kill indians, every kid played ARMY GUYS, every western had a shoot up with a gun for the entire show. Hey that was more violence per hr, because the comercials were shorter then.

We will have troubled children from now till our grandkids have gray hair.

Kids get kicked around at home, kids get kicked around at school, and someday they get backed into a corner, with no way out but to get even.

Lets talk about attatudes, the world is full of mean spirited people, and we are upset....that is the problem.

Anyone care to sum up many of the problems in society. Anyone ever see problem (mean folks) surfacing on a old tractor fourm? Check out many posts on this board, there are some who arn't always in their happy place when they post here.

I'm not so sure any of us understand life on the streets in the big city. Gangs are nothing more than some bullies that want to take over the neighborhood...hey this is kind of like high school fights .... bar room fights.....isn't it?

I have only been hurt once in my life in a fight....I slipped when I ran around the corner, and skinned my knee.

I was always the guy who stayed in the car, and protected the women when a fight broke out...the ladies seldom enjoyed their boyfriends fighting like idiots. I watched alot of fights, but I'm not sure I have ever seen a winner in the end.

Anyone else wonder if perhaps the grandparents living their golden years with the kids / grandkids just maybe helped shape the little ones minds in a positive way?
 
When I was a kid down south, every relative I knew had a long gun(at least)standing in a corner of a room. Whether or not it was loaded was not my business or that's what I was taught. If it was imminent that there was reason to use it, another story. Dave p.s. never any accidents that I knew of.
 
When I was a kid down south, every relative I knew had a long gun(at least)standing in a corner of a room. Whether or not it was loaded was not my business or that's what I was taught. If it was imminent that there was reason to use it, another story. Dave p.s. never any accidents that I knew of.
 
When I was a kid I knew where dad kept his guns, and I also knew that if I were to even think about touching them I would get my a** beat, Ya its true parents should keep them put away but maybe they should make it clear to their children play with the gun and get their rear hide tanned. I hunt and like others have said I would go in the mornings and put the gun in the case put it behind the seat of the truck and go to school, not one shooting ever occured, Its all in the video games and violence kids are exposed too in today's society
 
I grew up around guns. We, my brother and I, always had access to them. We where taught at a young age how to use them and what they would do.

When young the rule was only with Dad's supervision could we handle the guns. I never remember him telling us no, not now or later. The ammo drawer was never empty, seemed like, no matter how much we shot.

As we got older, 12 or 13, we didn't need permission. By then the novelty had worn off and the curiosity was satisfied. We never "played" with the guns. To this day my attitude is a gun is simply a tool, no different than a hammer or screwdriver.

I am with old in respect that the gun is not the problem the kids parents and the lack of discipline are.
 
My dad always taught us about guns and took us hunting with him. On my twelfth birthday I got a 22 cal. I was so excited that I took it out in the wood shed and shot it at a block of wood. Well it bounced around and split both top and bottom of my lips open bleeding. I learned my leason to respect it then. Never did tell mom or dad!
 
Why do we as a society always seem to put the blame on someone or something else. Instead putting the blame right where it belongs, on the person or persons that committed the crime. I had two boys killed in their early 20's by scum with guns. What am I suppose to do, blame their family, for the crime their kids committed.I put the blame right where it belonged on the scum with the weapons!!!!!

It's not my fault, he made me do it, It's not his fault, God made him do it, It's not my fault, it's Bush's fault, sound familiar????

Enough said

Keith & Shawn(Gold Medal Winner)
 
One of my gun safes is right next to my bed.

My car keys are on top of the safe, 1 key opens the safe. Inside the safe are 5 guns. 1 of those guns is a 870 pump 12 gage remington. That 870 is loaded and ready. I can have that gun in my hand in 5 seconds or less if the front door is kicked in.
The other gun safe is in another bedroom and packed with ammo and 3 other guns, kinda hard to get to.

BTW: My keys are ALWAYS in the pants I am wearing at that time.
 
My sister is a first grade teacher. An angry student said he was going to bring a gun to school and kill everyone. The school did nothing about it. WHICH CAME FIRST, THE GUN OR THE ANGRY KID?
 
"To this day my attitude is a gun is simply a tool, no different than a hammer or screwdriver."


Well said!!!
 
An unloaded gun is nothing more than a very expensive club. A gun under lock and key is even more useless.
 
Whenever there is talk about banning guns, the hue and cry begins about rights.Only the right to carry a weapon, not the right to live,so while all those guns are out there you have to accept that some unbalanced soul will use them against other people.
There must be more situations we don't hear about.
Having said that,certain weapons were banned in Australia but now most attacks are with the knife and they can be legally purchased in the shop so was it all worth it. The Machete is also common. If someone wants to do harm seems they will use what is available and you can't legislate against everything.
 
I think if your kid takes your gun, and commits a crime with it, you should be held responsible.
 
So If an adult whack job uses a gun, should the gun maker be responsible? The problem to some point is the parents responsibility to teach the kids the rights and wrongs of guns and how to properly handle them. But if the person pulling the trigger cannot realize what they are about to do is illegal, then the trigger puller should hang from any body part available. Not another family memember or gun owner. Its your logic of thinking that is putting this country in the demise it is currently in, wanting to blame everyone else.
 
a lot of he problem is that schools that can not even teach the basic stuff are now trying to replace the parrents and also trying to get the kids to rat out their parrents (does your parrents smoke,or use alcahol or do they BEAT you,do they yell at you?...) when I was a kid I was told "what happens in this house stays here" nobody needs to know all of your buesness,now its all about the nanny state.nobody takes responcibility for their actions,its all someone elses fault
 
Back in the '40s, '50s, '60s, even the '70s and '80s, you had guns hanging over doorways, guns in the corner of the living room, guns in the hall closet.

Any kid could walk into the local hardware store and buy a box of ammo.

If anything guns were MORE accessible back then!

Why didn't it occur to kids of those eras to take those guns to school and shoot the place up? Surely there were a few angry, hormone-driven, angst-ridden outcasts in every school.

What's different now in the heads of teenagers which cause them to act on these "out in a blaze of glory" fantasies?
 
Sorry , but I have to jump across the fence on this one. Get involved with the EMS system, and find out what does go on in the homes in the real world.

You are not alone in your thinking, and very few know what happens to some of these kids in the higher country club class of folks. All income brackets are faced with the problems, the higher income folks are usualy less expected to fall into the dirty heap.

Many kids are threatened to keep it quiet, or else, many don't realize what normal is...they need a place to turn. I will not even start on the Amish lifestyles, otherwise the gun folks would go a hunting.



I'm not convinced our schools are even good, let alone experts in unnatural home issues. Our government throwing money at it will make us all feel good, but few teachers have the caring to get involved, and risk their jobs over doing what is right.

Politics are in our school system as much as they are in the DC area.

I lived such a sheltered life, I count my blessings every day, as we all should.
 
So if a kid takes a knife and commits a crime, you think the parent should be accountable as well?

If your kid takes your lighter and burns down the school, you should be accountable?

If your kid takes your car without permission and runs somebody down, you should be accountable?
 
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