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O.T. Conceal Carry Permit.

Ohio - 3 years ago.
$75 fee, two classroom days
2 hours on the shooting range.

Photo ID at the Sheriff's office.

I was surprised how many participants had never fired a handgun.
 
I thought about getting one a couple of times. Figured I'd have about $150.00 in it and a day of training that's required. Got to thinking I didn't really want to shoot anybody and I'd probably get in trouble with it so I didn't get one. Decided if I ever have to shoot someone, I'll do it without a permit.
 
Yes, not much hands-on training for those not used to handling a gun. I knew an elderly lady that took and passed the course, she said the instructor was nice enough to even load the guns for the ladies.. Sort of defeats the purpose of training, IMHO.
 
Kentucky, 75 dollars for the class, though thats up to the instructor to set his own rate. Took a short day, morning in the classroom and afternoon on the range. Then 75 dollar fee to the sheriff and state police. I think the permit is good 5 years, just pay the 75 dollar fee to renew.

Im glad I got mine, even though I dont carry all or even most of the time. For me its the carry in the vehicle. That way Im covered if I forget. It was no trouble to get or keep, and KY has a reciprical agreement with several states. Thats when I do like to carry, when Im travelling. But, thats also where one has to be careful as every state defines vehicle carry with a permit differently.
 
2 friends have them.
1 friend has been twisting my arm for over a
year to get my CCW. I have refused for the following reasons:

1. 8 hour course that has to be renewed every
5 years I think.

2. I dont like registering guns of any kind
with the police.

3. I have a 9 year old son, I dont want him to
get his hands on a hand gun. Until he is
much older, at a range, with my supervision

4. Most gun crimes are committed with a hand
gun. I would be super pizzed off if a hand
gun that I own is ripped off from my home
and used to commit a felony.

5. Lots of places where you cant carry a
hand gun, Schools, banks, church.
those are 3 places I go to almost daily.

So I aint getting a CCW unless I get a job in
the inner city. (which I work in a nice
area now.)

I am told that it is not too hard to obtain the permit, but.....going through the class, purchase permit for the handgun, etc. It isnt
worth it to me.

As far as in my home, I have a loaded 12 gage pump shotgun in a locked cabinet that I can get to in seconds if the front door is being kicked in. All my rifles and shotguns are locked up and I dont have to register any long gun in the state of Michigan.
 
One coworker has the CCW permit.

In the class the instructor told the students that IF....you use a hand gun to stop a crime be prepared to go through piles of red tape and BS for shooting another person. He was told that if some loser comes up to you and asks for your wallet you are supposed to give him your wallet and not shoot him....WTF? I couldnt stand by and let some creep rip me off when I am packing heat. Doesnt make sense does it?
 
Wife and I both have one. I've had mine close to ten years.Classes taught by ex state policeman.Costs about 75 bucks for 4 hour course and shooting. 90 bucks for 5 year permit.Only have to take the course once,unless you let it expire.My CW is kindly like American Express,I don't leave home without it. Too many dope heads and not enough law enforcement where I live.
 
Had mine for a few years now. I carry almost daily just about everyplace I go weather it be concealed or open. In michigan there is only a few places that are off limits to carry so it works out.


But Lou being in Wisconsin I don't think they allow concealed carry unless your a police officer... Unless something has changed very recently...
 
Iowa I understand is pretty easy, four hrs I think. No, I don't have one, and probably never will.

Other than a couple of dudes, the ones in my area that have the permits, scare me worse than the fellons. Most aren't real stable, and I see no need to pack heat in my small part of the world.

This may change, but untill then I will just use the proper protection without a piece of paper. If you want to kick my door in, a piece of paper isn't going to save your rear end, regardless who has it..you or me.
 
If wisconsin ever gets to have a concealed permit, I would likley get one, Never carried a gun for personel protection, never was in a position to have needed it. But if it were avaiable I would get the permit, just to exersize my right. But still would likley never carry.
 
I've had one for years. Son got his about a year ago. Wife just got hers.

We just had a hombre who knifed his girlfriend in Grand Rapids end up ditching his car and go running on foot, just a few miles from here. Took the cops (and lots of them,) about 24 hours to get him found. Wonder why I carry? I am usually comfortable around here, but whenever I'm out of my comfort zone... Crime has found it's way out here in the boonies.

Wife ends going to several weekend vendor shows at fairgrounds and similar places, often camping out in the crank-up camper. I'm concerned for her safety.

I origionally got mine so I could carry under my jacket while hunting, and transporting - then Michigan became "shall issue," and most everyone gets a general. Yes, some restrictions. One day training class, with shooting, $105 fee - with fingerprinting, criminal background check, and possible interviews of your references. 4 year term. It's a hassle, but brings some sense of security. 'Course if you shoot someone, you're going to have to convince two courts you feared for the life of someone. First the criminal court, and then civil court as his relatives go after you for doing their "innocent" relative.
 
We almost had C.C. here in wisconsin BUUT Jim Doyle vetoed it I guess in his infinite wisdome he doesnt think people should be allowed to defend thenselvesI do not have a permit and I dont know that I would have one but it would be nice to have the option
 
On a statewide level not needed or required here in Az.Some localitys may require a permit tho.Not sure about the Indian Reservations.Buisness places can post "No fire arms allowed" if they choose.Point is even tho the state says you can conceal carry legally does not mean all parts of the state recognize this law.
 
Don't figure I need one. I don't anticipate being in a situation where I need a handgun in my daily activities, and if I ever do I have a Ruger LCP .380 automatic that's small enough I can slip it into my pants or coat pocket and no one will see it. In fact, someone makes a holster for the LCP that you slip in your hind pocket and it looks like a wallet.

Or, Nebraska has an open carry law so I could go for overkill and just hang my .44 mag on my belt. With a 7 1/5" barrel, probably just the sight of that sucker would be a deterrent.

Nebraska's disfunctional legislature is just now talking about a Castle law. I get awful nervous when our state senators start talking about self-defense. Several weeks ago, on a routine traffic stop, a deputy in my county spotted a hunting knife in the door pocket of a pickup. The driver was busted AND JAILED for carrying a concealed weapon.

Sometimes lunacy knows no bounds.
 
I have had one for years. I will not go into details but I have saved my life TWICE because I had a firearm. Never fired a shot(I'm a GOOD shot!!) But I would have if I had been forced to. Arizona has recently declared that ANYONE legally able to can carry a conceiled weapon without a permit. I will keep mine because as previously stated, other states recognize Az's permit and I travel alot. Bad people are everywhere and I don't want to ever regret that I didn't have a gun when someone needed help.
 
Thought about it sometime back. Wisconsin Gov did in fact Veto it. If I was able to get around like I want to. I would surely give it a go, if Wis ever has one. Can't say I Blame any one for carrying or not carrying. Where ever your at, the Crime rate should determine the availability of CC. Cops can't be every where at all times. MY 44 S/W is handy here and I can still pull it if needed. Havn't had to yet. like the man says"So far,So Good" .Hope I Never have to ,ever. Keep safe. Reguards LOU.
 
It not that hard here. In fact i need to renew mine which can now be done online. I walked into the court house said i wanted a conceal carry permit, filled out sum paper work, walked over to the sheriffs department got fingerprinted paid the fee (dont remember how much) then waited a few weeks and got the permit in the mail.
 
Gun Guru. You are crazy if you think that not having a hand gun will make your nine year old safer. You already have guns in the house. ( I do too. Not knocking you for that) I would bet that your kid already knows where and how to get to your guns. Take your son out and shoot your guns with him. It takes the novelty away from it. My kids by the age of five or six had shot a gun of some kind. A gun is not a big deal to them. They are around them and they know what they can do. Go hunting and show your kid that a gun can kill. He might get sick seeing something bleeding but he will know first hand what a gun can do. The kids that are involved in accidental gun deaths are usually the ones that never have been around them. This is a case where lack of knowledge is the danger.
I have two shot guns that are loaded on racks above my bedroom door and the kitchen door. By the time you get a cabinet or trigger lock undone it too late. When you are under pressure you will not react the same as you do when normal. I have seen Cops that have fired thousands of rounds, and have practiced drawing their fire arms, not be able to get their gun out of a safety holster while under pressure.
As for the permits. I have had one for years. Used to collect bills/repo farm equipment, worked for a finance company. Had several close calls that would not have been good if I did not have a firearm for a deterrent. Never have fired it in those situations but have showed it to defuse some hot head.
 
Pennsylvania, Simple background check, applicant is licenced, no questions about what guns are owned, nominal paperwork fee.

Pa constitution, The right of the people to keep and bear arms in defense of their person shall not be questioned!

I like that, mEl
 
None of your reasons are valid.My ccw dosent register my revolver.I can keep my gun in my pocket,cant do that with a shot gun.I had a carry permit since the early 60s.So I know more about the subject than you do.Home invasions are common in the rural areas here, unheard of 10 years ago.It has happened all around us.Happened to my mom and dad in the late 70s in MA in the suburbs of a small city.A neighbor and his son saw what was happening and stopped it.Elderly people are targeted because they may have medications.I stopped a burghler fast with a 357 years ago.The local bums know I am armed and leave me alone.A gun has to be close by to be useful.Have some one time you getting your shot gun out.Have it unloaded and try it.It takes one second to kick a door lock.We had to do it often at house fires.It takes skill to handle a fire arm when stressed.
 
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.A woman was out walking in a rural town near us.She was attacked by a bull Mastiff.The dog ate her arm,elbow couldnt be found.If she had an 11oz 38 or 380 this wouldnt have happened.If some one with a carry permit happened by it wouldnt have happened.
 
You wont have the gun with you if you dont have a carry permit,You must think you can predict when trouble will come to you.Times have changed even in the rural areas.The drug problem seems to be worse in the more rural areas here.Banks are the worst places to be, small country stores are next.Hold ups are common place here.I wouldnt live where I cant carry.
 
My reasons are valid to ME.

Like I said, I live and work in a nice area.
I cant take the gun to work, school, the bank.
So the gun would be in my car most of the time.
So what is the point of having it if I cant have
it on me? Right.! I walk into a grade school everyday to pick my son up.

I also take a shotgun with me when I am outside
splitting wood, burning up stuff.
I still dont like having to register a
pistol with the police.

At this time it is not in my best interest to
get the permit, too much hassle.
 
My son is around guns too. I own several long guns, he goes to the gun range with me too.
I am bringing him up right with respect to guns, the damage they do and all that. I have instructed my son to never touch a gun unless I am right there with him. He knows this and understands, I will be buying him a .22 for his 10th birthday, in 3 months. This will also be locked up, 24/7.

As far as all my guns....they are locked up and the only key is on my key ring, The spare keys are
in the safes themselves. I dont leave guns in shelves, tables or next to my bed.
 
Yes.

Relatively easy in Maine, which is a "Shall Issue" state, which means unless you have a felony, domestic abuse, multiple DUI's or have spent time in the State Hospital, they pretty much have to give it to you.

Application, $50, 30 days for the background check and your good for 5 years. I THINK they have started requiring a class as well, but I'm grandfathered as I have been carrying for 20 years, and I'm an NRA Firearms Instructor.
 
I live in Wisconsin and just took the class for Utah a few weeks ago. It's recogized in 37 states, Iowa will accept after Jan.1. The new Govenor of Wisconsin will probably push CC next year and the Instuctor said having the Utah permit will probably be recognized by Wisconsin, if not it should make it easier to get. I don't need to carry a gun but it's my right if want to. The ways things are going near us in the city sure seems like a need.
 
Any pistol you own has a paper trail already.Any rifle or shot gun has a paper trail since 1968.There is no place that is a nice area, criminals work where they arent known.A woman in Washington Maine had a man break into her home with a gun,he set fire to her house.Most of Washington is off the main road very rural.In the middle of nowhere.The Doctor who lost his wife and 2 daughters in CT lived in a nice area.If he had a pistol in his pocket that wouldnt have happened.Getting robbed and beaten on a black night is quite a hassle too.I can take my gun into the bank I use because no one knows an old man in overalls has a 38 in his bib pocket.That bank has been held up.My friend likes waste time in the bank gabbing.Im in and out.Ive told him about the danger but he thinks I am nuts.Get the permit,your son will be out of school sooner than you think.My kids took the bus to school.I worked in my own shop in the yard for 40 years.
 
My wife and I recently applied for ours. Her idea, not mine. We have rental property in a not-so-nice area, and she is often there by herself or with only a female friend.

We spent a little time practicing before going to the class. When we went the range, the instructor, a former cop, told my wife that she could shoot better than half the cops! She got a big kick out of that.

Having a Concealed Pistol License in Michigan does simplify a couple of things: You don't have to get a purchase permit prior to buying handgun, and you can borrow someone else's pistol. The second item is no small thing: for example if you have a handgun registered in your name and your son takes it to the range with your permission, he could be picked up on a firearms violation if he gets pulled over and police find your gun in his car.

The process here is slightly complicated: You must first take an 8-hour course, which typically costs between 100 and 150 bucks per person. Then you go the the county clerk with your course certificate, application and passport photos. You pay the clerk $105, then take your receipt to the Sheriff's department and get fingerprinted. Assuming there are no problems it takes another month or two to get your permit. In some counties you have to appear before the CPL board as well. The license is good for five years, after which you have to take a refresher course and go through the application process again.

A friend of mine with a CPL took out a one million dollar umbrella liability policy. That's a good idea even if you don't carry a concealed weapon, and something I intend to do as well.

One fellow I know who teaches the course starts out by asking "how much does your ammo cost?". Of course he gets a variety of answers, then says "you're all wrong. Every round you shoot in the Real World will cost you on average 50 thousand dollars." Good way to think about it. There was a case this past year where a fellow with a CPL shot a guy (non-fatally) who was threatening him in a road-rage incident. He was tried and the case ended with a hung jury. He ended up plea bargaining to avoid a second trial. The guy's life has been pretty well wrecked because he didn't use very good judgement.
 
Iowa has had a CC for at least 50 years that I am aware of. It was $10/year, changed this year to
$50/5 years. In Iowa it is a CC handgun permit,
does not allow you to carry a loaded long gun in
a vehicle.

Everyone who owns or has access to a firearm should read a book "In the Gravest Extreme" IMHO. The author has testified as an expert witness for many successfully defended law abiding gun owners.

State laws vary widely, so you need to know yours
and all you travel through.
 
I've never owned a hand gun, though I've thought about it a few times. Back in my younger days when I ran the trap lines I could have used a .22 handgun but trapping wasn't that lucrative. Can't buy much of a gun with 25 cent muskrats.

Mentioning guns and banks, I went to my local bank to do some business, and when I sat down in the banker's office I saw a 12 gauge leaned up against his desk. He'd just come in from some early morning duck hunting. My first thought was "you'll only see this in a rural small town bank". Come to think of it, this banker's dad was taken hostage by Bonnie and Clyde years ago.(true) Hmmmm! Jim
 
Vermont is better.You cant take a gun into a school or carry a gun for illegal purposes.Thats it.In Maine you needed a Constable to sign your application in rural areas or police chief in towns that had a dept.You have to take training now.I do think the hunter safety course has cut interest in hunting by young people.Parents wouldnt sign or wouldnt take the kids to the place where the classes.Friends and fathers couldnt do the training.I was in Rome ME in 1954 when I saw boys coming out of a one room school house with Winchester 94s.I was living in MA at the time.
 
OK, G-G, let's look at your reasons.

1. 8 hour course. True, but do you really want people carrying handguns who potentially know nothing about firearms safety? The eight hours is overkill, and I suspect that very few instructors do the full eight. Also, the renewal doesn't actually require you to retake the full course; you just have to certify you've spent 3 hours reviewing the course material and 1 hour at the range.

2. You have to register handguns in Michigan regardless of whether or not you have a CPL.

3-4. These seem to be arguments against owning a handgun, rather than getting a CPL.

5. Banks are not pistol-free zones, although any private business can refuse to allow concealed weapons. You can get advance permission to carry in a church if that's what you want.
 
The rural ares have gotten very dangerous here.Little police presence, many towns dont have a constable now.Easy pickings for crooks on wheels.
 
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None of my guns have a paper trail and they were bought after 1968. In Ohio transactions between state residents do not have a paper trail. That includes pistols.

Davemk
 
Yes I have a CCW permit, $75 and a saturday, no gun regestration or anything to be afraid of just good information for everyone. I have guns in my trucks, knives, etc. seldom leave the county but on a routine traffic stop a shirt or coat over a weapon can get very serious without that permit. In the right (or) wrong circumstances a lot of things are a deadly weapon.
 
I agree with having a pistol in a bad area, I remember you saying that you have a rental home in Pontiac, I would have a gun on me too in that city.

I choose not to own one for the reasons I gave.

The one friend of mine that has his CCW told me that he almost had to use it 2 years ago due to a road rage incident up north. A guy in a pickup was tailgating him, then finally got my friend to pull over to "kick his azz" My friend who is no small fry told this guy directly...."IF YOU GET OUT OF YOUR TRUCK I WILL KILL YOU" Very serious situation. The guy backed down and no shots were fired.

Statistically speaking though....the chances of me needing to use a handgun outside of my home are very slim. Now if I was a millionaire I would have one, an old friend of mine whose dad is a multi-millionaire has been carrying for 30 years. Back when you had to have $500 in cash on you at all times, remember that?
 
1954 was a long time ago. Try carring a gun into a school in Vermont and Maine now. The past is long gone.
 
A paper trail with the 4473 sheet and a registered firearm are 2 different things.

A registered firearm means the police have records in your police local station. The 4473 sheet has a stack of sold firearms in a store where you purchased the gun. I still think that the 4473 sheet is BS for long guns.

I dont allow the media to scare me into my decision making. Crimes are committed everywhere, this is true but......In my area of Michigan banks are not robbed, a few homes are broke into and people are not carjacked. I am not a paranoid with my hand on the trigger and the hammer cocked. I trust my Remington 870 pump 12 gauge to take care of business if need be at home.
 
Thats a fool place to keep spare keys.I dug up my truck keys I lost in the garden and found my tractors key on the floor in the barn shop.What happens if you lose your key ring and dont you know that keys on a ring wear to the point where they wont open a lock.Also know that tractor keys will wear and fall out of the ignition switch while you are using the tractor.A new key cant be removed when the switch is on.We bought a used car that had a tamper proof lug nut on each wheel.I called the previous owner,she said the tool to remove them was in her garage, always kept it there.Does that ring a bell with you?
 
The fellow you bought it from may have filled out an atf form.The gun could have been stolen and on a hot sheet somwhere.Pistols generated paper in the 50s and before in MA.When the Son of Sam shot people in NY with a 44 cal there were batf agents checking records of dealers in Maine.I had to send my records in when I gave up my FFL.
 
Why do we need a permit in the first place? The 2nd ammendment allows us to carry a gun. I did not see any thing in it about pistols conceled losded etc!!!!
 
Ive had mine for about 12 years. Its funny too I could carry a handgun and get a permit at 18 but couldnt buy my own handgun till 21. Every state has different laws on guns. Here in In wear I live they offered a lifetime CC license that you still can get till the end of december this year. Pretty well every time i renewd until I got the lifetime I went to the local sheriffs dept got all the paper work got fingerprinted paid my fees and 2weeks latter after my background check came back and all I got my license in the mail. It was not to bad a deal. Lost only a couple hours out of my day. Easier than renewin you drivers license for me.lol
 
My point is this we were much freer then,Schools had rifle clubs.Its seems that the places where guns are banned have the most murders.A lot depends on where you live.Little notice is given to some one with a holstered hand gun in the small town I live in.In the city that would be a cop magnet.Maine has an open carry law.Guns have been demonized by the TV you watch.I talked with a fellow who took his shot gun to high school so he could hunt on the way home. He said there 8 others that did the same thing.They had to keep the guns locked in their lockers during scool time.Hunters can carry hand guns while hunting, bow hunters can carry hand guns .I know why .a friend was treed by 6 coyotes while bow hunting for 2 hours.He carries a Navy Colt 36 revolver while bow hunting now.Are coyotes cute and furry?They killed a woman hiking in New Brunswick.My neighbor saw 10 coyotes in her yard.I hear them day and night.
 
The Constitution has been trodden on by those in power for many years.It also states that the President shall be a natural born American citizen.
 
Not paranoid ,just ready.These are not break ins while people are away.They come in while you are home to get any pain pills you may have.A bit of rape and torture happens too.They broke in on an old man in Belgrade a few years ago.Beat him bad trying to get money he didnt have.Quiet Lake resort village with 3 stores and a restaurant.I still say you have got to time your self as to how long it takes to get your locked up shot gun ready to answer a threat.
 
I have really been debating with my self on getting a hand gun and a carry permit. I do have several shotguns and 22 rifles at home I keep in the house and barn. I too live in Mi. and I even was working in Pontiac when I retired. I travel in my fifth wheel camper some with my wife and on my motorcycle by my self. My friend in Tn. carries and has a book he carries when traveling with the laws regarding carrying a gun in each state. I just get a little nervous when staying at a motel by my self or camping in a rest area, walmrt parking lot or what ever when in our camper. My main reason for not getting one yet is my bad temper and the fear of me being a little to quick to want to use a gun if I had it. I have never been in any legal trouble as a result of my temper but just not sure if I can trust myself.
 
I have had mine here in Michigan going on 16 years. When i got mine they were hard to get.

I see a lot of people getting them because they think it is "cool" , it's not.

With it comes a lot of other things you need to think about. Keep in mind it is "not" to be seen .

I carry a Kimber compact 45 every day because i work in the city of Detroit.

Your gun choice has to be small and easy to carry .

We also have a open carry law here which is really a joke because of the grief that comes with it.

When the time comes to use it if it ever does it will change your out look on things.

Think hard before going for it , it can get you in a lot of trouble. The education corse is a great one to take even if you don't get the permit.
Take a corse thru a place that knows what there doing.
 
I'm not against guns, I'm not against someone having a small gun with them so don't start bashing me, ok. All I'm saying is that I worry about the false security having the gun can give a person. I know in many cases people can talk the talk but when it comes right down to it can't walk the walk. Even if you are walking around with a loaded gun in your hand ready to shoot does not mean you will shoot and that puts you in more danger. If there is any doubt at all in your mind about shooting to kill, that can get you killed as fast if not faster then not having a gun. Several years ago a guy pulled a pistol on me, pointed it directly at my face. I took the pistol off of him. My brother had a simular circumstance happen to him and he disarmed two guys. If you would have ask me before that happen I would have said, boy I don't know what I would do if some guy pulled a gun on me. Point being till it happens you don't know how you would react so does having a gun on you save you ? There are police officers injured and killed every day that carry and are highly trained. I don't know what the answer is, only know you better be able to walk the walk. Do I carry a gun on a regular basis, no I don't. Now have I carried a gun at times, yes. Would I use it if need be, yes in a heart beat and it would be shoot to kill.
 
I have had one for a few years now. I don't advertise the fact so if something pops up where I have to use it it's a surprise for those trying do do me harm. Cost $50 for 5 years, fill out paperwork, finger prints and wait a couple of weeks. I carry only when I need to.

Leonard
 
Yep and he sealed his records so that we can not find out he is not a legal president. Hope the nnalert unseal and get him where he should be. (jail) for false rep. of him self
 
Perverted NY State reporting in here:

My wife and I have had "Pistol Permits' for 25 years. When approved, the county judge, stepping all over the Second Amendment, then qualifies them as "Target Shooting and Hunting Only." Concealed Carry hard to get but classes now being offered and my wife and I will take the class after the first of the year.

I'm basically a rifle guy and I know that lots of folks say a shotgun will do the job--and it will. But more often than not, that shotgun will be over in the corner, under the couch or in some similarly unhandy place whereas you will probably have the handgun with you.

Why are we going to get Concealed Carry Permits? Influx of "out of staters" and "South of the Border" folks coming in as they ride the Marcellus Shale wave. Also, my wife who is a nurse has to park in a rather undesireable area to walk to the hopsital.

My $.02 with no aplogies to any anti-gun libs.
 
Unless you got them from a person not a store that is not true. ATF does in fact keep paper work on each and every gun as does the place that sells them. Reason I know is I know of 3 places local that have lost there FFL because of not having all there paper work as it should have been. One lost it because a guy did not sign his paper work and the guy is now dead. The store owner was told if he got the paper work signed he could keep his FFL but when he told them the guy was dead they said that does not matter get it signed
 
Missouri is a shall issue state. I took the course at my county sheriff's office. 8 hrs. 4 classroom and 4 range. It wasn't hard to get. I kind of got the impression that they want everyone to have it. I don't carry often but I think it's important to excercise your rights. When I do carry I have a Kimber compact stainless that goes with me.
 
Did you and old get some special message in on your tin foil hat antennas, because there have been some law suits filed to prove you all's point with no success.
There's pictures of his BC on the net and I bet half the people on this forum couldn't produce their original.
There is more of a chance of Bush/Cheney being put on trial for war crimes than external_link being thrown out of office.
 
Lou--I had one when I lived in Iowa, just because I was more interested in the process used to obtain the permit, not the likelihood of having to ever use a gun for protection. That was about 15 years ago.

When I took the Iowa class, there were people that got the permit that had NEVER fired a handgun before, that were then going to buy one for "protection" reasons.....BAD IDEA to me.

The one thing about the class that I remember, was the police instructor saying that "EVEN IF someone was armed, in your home, and PERCEIVED to be a lethal threat, that BEFORE you pull the trigger, you had BETTER have warned the intruder more than once to leave, AND YOU THE PERMIT HOLDER better be backed into a corner and CONVINCED you were in a LIFE THREATENING SITUATION, or you would end up being the one getting the worse out of the resulting end.

I like the idea of WI allowing CC Permits, and will get one when available. I also would like to see anyone that is allowed to get one, be required to pass an annual Psychological evaluation each and every year in order to keep the permit------Law Enforcement personnel as well.

Someone wrote in this thread-- "Think hard before going for it , it can get you in a lot of trouble. The education corse is a great one to take even if you don't get the permit.
Take a corse thru a place that knows what there doing."

I would add, make sure you REALLY KNOW how to handle correctly any handgun you plan to carry.

Tim--Certified Hunter Safety Instructor
 
Dave 2N, sounds like your in Chemung Co. NY.
I'm in Steuben, Co., Had mine since early 80's. No hassel just fill out the papers, pay your $$ and wait about 6 months.

Thats the problem with NY, each county Judge decides His own interpitation of the laws.
 
Have had one for 25-30 years here in Alabama, I don't think there difficult to obtain here as long as you don't have a criminal back ground. I've always been told by our local Sheriff that the Alabama permits are recognized with our joining states of Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, and Mississippi as those states have recipricol agreements with Alabama. I had no difficulty geting mine years ago and friends and family get them quite easily today. If you ever have to defend your life away from home it's better to have a permit on you than to be without it if you had to use your pistol.
 
That is what I told my wife before she got her permit,if you don't have the guts to shoot someone,don't get the permit and carry the gun,because they will take take it away from you and kill you.When it clears the holster make sure it's throwing lead.I don't carry a gun to stick in someones face and try and scare someone.I carry it for self defense and if I have to pull it it will be throwing lead.
 
You don't know that. Do you think everyone who carries a gun has a permit for it? I don't. There are too many places where you can't carry even with a permit. Banks and Gov't buildings and bars to name a few. If I'm going someplace where I think I'll need a gun I'll carry one, permit or no.
 
I teach the class for Michigan concealed carry. Not a big deal, just average ordinary citizens getting permits. We have had no probs. in our state since becoming shall issue in 2001, before that starting in 1927 county gun boards were allowed to be discreationary on issueing permits. I have had at one student use his gun to save his life while some one tried to kill him at a gas station, he shot the guy 3 times with a .45 after giving the guy his wallet the robber was going to kill him anyways. Did not kill the guy but the guy will be peeing out of a bag the rest of his live and is now in prison, I was pround that my student was carrying and took a thug off the streets.
 
I carry, period. If you don't want to, OK by me. Darwin Awards are just waiting for you.

I shed no tears for "victims". "Life is hard & it gets harder if you are stupid".
 
My wife and I had the when we lived in Washington State and when we moved to Montana we renewed them here. We wouldn"t be without them.
 
Maine law says you have no duty to warn an intruder if doing so would endanger you.You live in the wrong state.Case in point.Your door is kicked in by a fellow who has a shot gun in his hand.if you warn him twice he will shoot you four times.Self defense kicks in fast.
 
I live in Illinois, the Communist state.
The last and only state that won't allow it.

There's my complaint for the day (and every other day I live here).
 
banks are not off limits here.federal building will scan you and find your gun and charge you with carrying without a ccw permit. I just tell the scanner I have a ccw permit and leave the gun in his care.Same goes for my pocket knife.Drinking booze while carrying will lose your permit.That lets bars out.Post office I keep a book of stamps and put letters in my rfd box.Never liked school, dont carry there.My border collie wont allow any one in my truck while hes in there.He will let my wife get in though.So if I do have to go into the post office I leave the gun in his care.I have noticed that a cop who stops you will know you have a ccw when he runs your license plate.It costs less to buy a fishing license than to fish with out one.
 
The only one a gun cabinet is protecting is the criminal. You WILL NOT be able to get to your gun fast enough if someone breaks in.
I handle my guns often but when I had an intruder I was shocked how much it put me off my stride. Fortunately my shotgun was not locked up and a roumd thru the roof was enough to convince them they had the wrong place.
BTW I am for shotguns! Needed my hand gun one time and struggled with it, put it down and grabbed the 12 gauge...
 
Living in Vermont does have a few benefits, one of which no need for a carry permit. Vermont and I believe 2 other states do not even issue a permit. It's your right to carry whatever you want.
 
Wife and I got ours in 07 after a land dispute gone REALY bad. Decided that me or my family would not be put in a situation like that ever again. The best $75 I have ever spent. 8hrs of class and quallify at the range.
 
(quoted from post at 04:37:27 11/26/10) My reasons are valid to ME.

Like I said, I live and work in a nice area.
I cant take the gun to work, school, the bank.
So the gun would be in my car most of the time.
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IIRC you live in Michigan, therefor you CAN carry in a school and a bank FYI.

In Mi the only places you can't open carry with the CPL are federal buildings, post offices, Casinos, Federal Reserve banks, courts and airports...

And you can leave it in the car loaded and ready to go as long as you are the only one with access to it.
 
Don't know where you're at but here the permit doesn't allow you to remove it from your body and leave it in your vehicle. I never go in bars and I don't drink. The only place I would take a gun is out in the woods or when I'm fishing. Was approached by 3 guys when I was fishing 3 years ago. Got a little nervous then but everything turned out ok. I can appreciate both sides of this issue and if my health continues to get worse I may consider getting a permit in the future.
 
A registered weapon is a weapon that has a serial number that has been recorded by the BATF.

A unregistered weapon has no BATF serial number.
Example: a weapon that you built yourself and have not registered the weapon with the BATF.

T_Bone
 
Utah permit 1st...1 day-all classroom. Wife and I get plenty of 'range time' here in our little slice of heaven. 1500lb round bales make a pretty nice backdrop.
Ohio CCW is next- covers some of the states that Utah doesn't. Will do the class/range time in 1- 12 hour day.
Will never assume that I can get any of my firearms out the gun safe (even unlocked)faster than an intruder in the middle of the night.
All my handguns are loaded (+1 in chamber)with safe door open or next to the bed or on my person. Safe locked for company and when we leave.
Son grew up shooting and I will pay for his CCW as he turns 21 soon. Will be able to travel more safely the 7 hours to school (VMI) where he will also soon commission as a 2nd Lt in the Army. To defend our country and our rights.
I may someday be victimized- but it won't be without a fight!
 
I don't one but I teach CHL in Texas. Great course and everyone should take the opportuity to take the class to learn the basic law of self defense.

I'd put my web site up but that would make this thread go POOF!!
 
Yup!! Each county judge does his own thing.

I'm in Tioga County. Originally from Catt. County many years ago. Still go back that way occasionally to visit my sister. From Bath westward, I enjoy driving 86/17, the road they made for me. Very little traffic. Steuben, Allegany, Catt. counties--they are still "God's Country."
 
I am the number 2 permit holder in Monroe County, MO. Only becuase I was in California when the final courst case was over. Wife is on tap for getting hers as she nows commutes 25 miles to work. Always have a car gun, work at a college so no carry there. Carry everywhere else.
 
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