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Hi Guys.
I am having trouble with my neighbors cows getting in my pond, is there any easy way of keeping them out, I do not want to fence the pond in, and cannot afford to fence right the way down the road line, I have just spent a week running cows day and night instead of deer hunting, never got to go to my tree stand in a week, you guys have been very helpful in the passed when I got my Farmall H tractors, I got two that did not run, but now they both run and are used around the place now, thanks to you guys.
Ken
 
You must be in an open range state? Most places now,it's up to the owner to keep them home. I know you said you don't want to build a fence,but if it's open range,it's probably your only option. A single strand electric will stop them if it's good and hot. Fairly inexpensive and quick to build.
 
No I do not live in an open range state, but his fencing is so bad the cows keep getting out, how hot does an electric fence have to be ? I know nothing about electric fences.
Ken
 
A good electric fencer, with a couple good ground rods, and properly installed wire (not shorted out by foliage), will probably meet rrlund"s description of a "hot" fence
 
in missouri and kansas--if you have livestock, its your responsibility to keep them home-- im sure that you can contact county sheriff to find out what the law is and what options you have. im sure that you have already spoken to the owner-- an electric fence will solve the problem --short term-- but you need a long term solution--

you might simply send him a bill for $X per day for pasture and water-- i charge $15 a month for "boarding" cows-- thats$.50 a day per head-- and id do it every day his cattle got on to my place--
 
Whichever fencer You use... make SURE You have a Good Ground, get down to the Moist/Wet Ground, otherwise anyone of them won't work properly, hope this is of Help. Larry
 
If he has cattle and you don't, it's his responsibility to keep his cattle on his own property, the same as if they got out and there was a car accident. What if you had expensive crops in and the cows were trampling them to get to your pond? Tell him to fix his fence at his own cost. It's not your responsibility unless you also have cattle. In most cases like that, the fence cost is split 50/50. You shouldn't have to spend any money to keep other peoples livestock off your property. You could also check with your county for their regulations. Dave
 
My pond is about 250 feet by 150 feet, I am in Missouri, I do not have cows of my own, I stocked this pond three years ago and I now have some nice fish, what would I need for an elictic fence, this guy knows his fences are not good, the Sheriff is telling me to get photos of them in the pond then take him to court, but in the mean time the pond is destroyed.
Ken.
 
Ken. Ditto on Mrs Howell post, an electric fence will be the cheapest, simplest and fastest. A battery charger or a 110V charger will solve your troubles in a hurry. Hope this helps!
Later,
John A.
PS,
If you could find an old 110v Super 98 fence charger.....oooohhhhhh Mama! they would throw a 1/2 to 3/4 in spark even with 4 to 6 miles of single strand fence strung out. (4 miles around a sq. Section and 2 miles of cross fence to make 4, 1/4 section wheat pastures)....Later, J.A.
 
Do what the sheriff says, take the pictures, lots of them, also take pictures of the fence where they are crossing.

If you had any facilities to hold them you could just start selling them after telling him repeatedly to keep his animals on his property.

Also, you could stop chasing them back to him, just let them wander off, after taking many pictures and take him to court for damage to your property.

Right now he is being lazy and not fixing his fence and taking advantage of your politeness. I would let his cattle wander off, that will get him to fix his fence real fast.
 
The Sheriff told me I could not pen up his cows, because I was stopping them from going back to his farm, if my dog went out on his field and ran his cows he can shoot my dog, but his cows can destory the dam pee and crap in the pond and kill my fish but I cannot do a thing, I think I should be able to shoot them just like he could shoot my dog, I have never put up a electric fence, but will look into it. Thanks for the help.
Ken.
 
Hi Kenfarmall: The sheriff you are talking to may be lying some in NOT telling you all the truth.. but he is right in saying you need pictures of the cows. Prefer in or very near the pond and also of the manure in/around the pond. The sheriff should also be willing to investigate by taking picture himself just as he should do when anyone calls him about a "breakin" to someones property.. The county sheriff here lies out of both sides of his mouth all the time but he has quite a few family members and close relitives to assure he gets re-elected.. Get you pictures taken.. asap.. good luck and push the matter. Send a registered notice to neighbor about cows such that he has to sign for it and have another co-sign your letter before sending.. ag.
 
OK,after I read everything below,for an electric fence,just some of those little posts that you can step into the ground,a few T-posts for corner posts,insulators and a roll of wire or that simple electric fence tape. And a fencer of course.
How good of a township supervisor do you have? My cousin is supervisor in another township here. He had a guy who wouldn't make any serious attempt to keep his cows in. He'd put up a single smooth wire with no electric to it and the cows were constantly all over the neighborhood. He only had to take the guy into court about twice for the judge to tell him,right in front of the owner that if the cows were ever out again,corral them up somewhere and call a livestock hauler,ship them and send the owner a check less expenses.
 
Instead of deer hunting start cow hunting.

Ater a few dissappear you'll be amazed how fast he fixes his fence.
 
Document, document, document..... pictures, good pictures of actual damages. It can get mighty expensive really quick in litigation, for both parties but if he damages your property and he's negligent then you definitely have the basis for a civil suit.

I dont know how Missouri law is or if you share a boundary or not. In Kentucky he is responsible for keeping his livestock in but each party is responsible for line fence to the right of their property line regardless of if you have livestock or not. If you dont have a legal fence on your half of the fence then you can not, by statute, claim damages.

A good simple electric fence is an easy solution. Then have your attorney send him the bill. Its not expensive and doesnt take long to do. Gallagher has pretty good instructions on their web site and I like their stuff better than any I've used.
 
I guess it depends of how well you want to get along with your neighbor. You can let the law and courts take care of it, or you could offer to help him mend the fence working along side of him. You would only supply the labor, no material.
 
I didn't read that you talked to the owner of the cows. Have you done that? Go see him, explain about the pond damage. Offer to help him fix the fence. Also be firm that if the cattle do any more damage he will have to pay for that and also the damage done up until now. And get photos with a time/date stamp on them.

Gordo
 
Instead of you chasing his cows home, call him to run them home. When he comes to get them, help him and take a few pictures of him and the cows along the way with distigushable landmarks. After the cows are home then politely explain that the fence must be fixed. At this point you will know if he intends to fix it or not. Most of time, but not always a polite firm suggestion will get the job done.
 
As a former Farmer in MO, it is his responsabillity to keep his cattle in. Your county sheriff is full of crap they may be friends. You can pin them up then tell your neighbor to come get them. After a time or two you can have them sold and take out expenses and send the rest to him.
 
In my state (MN), it doesn't matter if you have cattle or not, you are required to pay half of the fencing cost on a line fence. It doesn't matter if your neighbor's pasture borders your pasture, field, yard or wasteland, you are required to keep up your half. You can either come to an agreement and split costs, or maintain the right-hand half of it as you look at the fence from your property. If one party doesn't do either of these things, the county can be called in and if it finds the fence deficient, they will contract a new fence to be made an add the cost to the property tax bill of the delinquent party. I'm pretty sure WI is the same way, but I don't know about any other states.
 
Ken, JWlaker and Gordo are on track, any cattlemen in the business to make money does not want his cattle out damaging property, in addition, the animals are not making gains or breeding when they"re running the road. Talk with your neighbor, have a polite conversation and explain where you stand. Communication can solve a lot of problems.
 
I have called several times, I did say I would help run them into another field, also said I would help repair the fence, but all of his fences are bad. Looks like I will have to fence my pond. Thanks for all the help.
Ken.
 
I am not a farmer, what did you mean Pig Tails ? there is a road between his land and mine, the fence is nothig to do with me, it is on the other side of the road. Thank you.
Ken.
 
I'm not suggesting to do this, but it's been done around here. A farmer couldn't keep his cows fenced in and they ended up going to auction and he was sent the check for the money recieved from the sale. It wasn't long before the farmer fenced in the cows that were remaining.
 
Hey Ken, looks like you have a problem, but I don"t believe you have any worries about the cattle hurting your fish. Unless there are a lot of cattle and a little pond,and they are in it all day long. We have ponds with cattle standing in them for a good part of the summer, and it doesn"t hurt the fish any. Good luck with the cattle problem. You would think the guy would have enough shame to try to do something himself. Bob
 
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