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Talked to an architect and got these pictures this afternoon who wanted us to look at a new fire station.

Permeable paver system thats "supposed" to hold up to fire truck loading BUT.

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What is that junk? Would it hold up on the kitchen floor? Under a truck!? They want permeable? How about something revolutionary, like gravel?
 
Kruser - I am extremly familiar with permeable paver systems an I can tell you that done correctly you can easily run fire trucks and loaded semi"s over them. You must design them first to handle the load that will be driven on them and then to handle the amount of water the architect/engineer needs. I have worked directly with city officials, architects and engineers on permeable systems and they can easily withstand fire trucks.

By looking at the picture I will tell you that the pattern those pavers are laid in are not recommended for vehicular traffic... correct me if I am wrong but is the dark colored material under those pavers dirt???

A typical permeable pavement is designed using No 2. stone as a base (thickness based on expected traffic load), then a No. 57 stone to choke it down (usually 4" thick) then a couple inches of No. 8 or No. 9... then the concrete pavers are laid on the No. 8 or 9"s and then the joints filled with the No. 8 or 9 again.

I work for a manufacturer and am well versed in these applications. I would be more than happy to come and meet with someone to help correct this problem the right way.
 
But.... those lifts apply some weight to those tires, I used to run articulate 80'-0" JLG's, quite often, and all of these kinds of lifts sure apply some heavy point loading, funny, looks like he just kept going, not noticing or said the heck with it LOL!
 
You immediately caught the part that irritates me. I can see where something like this would be beneficial(properly installed) in a metropolitan area where there are just miles and miles of concrete and asphalt. But in a rural setting?! Isn't that corn next to the row of trees? How old is this picture? The taxpayers got to take it right in the a$$ again. Firetrucks or busses! They're trucks, not royalty!
 
Is that just dirt under it??? The stuff is good (the idea) but the ground needs to be ready for it as if you were pouring concrete or using cobblestone. Dirt (or sand. fine gravel, etc) goes on afterwards like grout.

Done our roundpen with plastic stuff and filled with fine slag. had 2 ten ton loads of sand dumped on and he truch never hurt it.

Dave
 
It looks like an rookie did those pavers.

Slag sand is supposed to be used under pavers and/or crushed limestone for a good base. I used slag sand for a paver walkway that I put in 15 years ago at my old house.
 
Bet they went with the low bidder. Got what they paid for. As was mentioned, that is a good system when properly installed.
 
What a bunch of foolishness! No wonder we're going broke- those silly "pavers" probably cost 3 times what concrete would have been, and won't even hold up under a manlift. As Bob said below, it isn't like they're in an Asphalt Jungle there, and desperately need the drainage- they're next to a cornfield, for heaven's sake! Has the whole world gone mad?
 
Sure don't look like it had the right work done to the 'base'

That lift wieghs 14,000 lbs though, probably more wieght per square inch that anything else that will be on it. Still isn't right though, should have held it....
 
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