Coming home from work tonight daughter called to say something had got her 4-H lamb. Got home and checked and unfortunatly she was right. 150+ sheep and lambs around here and the four legged devils get the one she placed 2nd with in showmanship last Saturday.(best placing in 5 years) Another tough life lesson to be learned on the farm! We were hit about 10 years back with coyotes,lost 5 lambs over the summer. There have been a lot of wild turkeys introduced here over the last few years and I think the coyotes were feeding off of them,now it seems their tastes may be changing.Thanks for listening, Bob
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Eastern or western coyotes? Here in NY, our's are bigger then western coyotes since they're more of a hybrid and are part red wolf. Maybe our's are more barn-shy? Very rare around here for a coyote to enter anyone's barn. Many get blamed for animal deaths, but usually the culprit winds up being a dog. I've had pigs, lambs, chickens and goats get killed in the barn. Always been a coon or dog, so far. All rural towns in New York are required to have an "animal damage assessor" who comes out and investigates killings. He/she is supposed to have some training and ID killings by wild or domestic culprit. If domestic, the town government has to pay out damages. I've collected many times - but it's not very much.
Caught this good sized guy on a trail cam last week...
Neighbor had something jump into his sheep pen last month, kill two 50 pound sheep and eat half of them...he didn't figure it to be a coyote.
We have a cougar sighting about 20 miles away, and rumors of a few timber wolves...we still don't know for sure what got the sheep.
Tim
Neighbor had something jump into his sheep pen last month, kill two 50 pound sheep and eat half of them...he didn't figure it to be a coyote.
We have a cougar sighting about 20 miles away, and rumors of a few timber wolves...we still don't know for sure what got the sheep.
Tim
johndeereman
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here in pa weve had our share of coyote attacks on sheep most of the time the just kill and let lay training there pups of course its open season on coyotes year round seems after a quiet spell of killing sheep someone shoots a coyote and the sheep killing starts again best defense we have found is a donkey only trouble we had is we had more sheep than a donkey can keep up with
Rod in Forfar
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Here are a couple of daylight shots of a young coyote who regularly visits our orchard. She doesn't bother the cat, but she eats a lot of apples.
She likes apples and an occasional pear.
She likes apples and an occasional pear.
I'm with jdemaris. Probably a dog, unless it ate part of the sheep. Coyotes kill for food, dogs usually kill for pleasure. We raised hundreds of head of sheep and only had coyotes in them a few times over many years. It was nearly always packs of dogs that killed/maimed them until we did some major eradication.
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Around my area coyotes have growled at people and will go anywhere often seen in towns.They're nasty livestock killers and kill for the fun of it
the only way to keep them out of goats and sheep is to have good livestock guard dogs
the only way to keep them out of goats and sheep is to have good livestock guard dogs
In the last 12 months, we have had one person killed by coyotes, and two more attacked. I'd say they're getting bigger, bolder, and more dangerous to man and animal alike. Only one fix for them, a lead pill. And yes, coyotes will kill just for the thrill, even when they're not hungry.
Nancy Howell
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Coyotes around our farm have gotten pretty large. Saw one real large one, probably 30 lbs. Probably the one the killed our barn cats.
Around the cities, they are not very shy. We"ve seen them lots of times out during the day.
At the farm they don"t want any part of people.
Sorry your daughter lost her lamb.
Around the cities, they are not very shy. We"ve seen them lots of times out during the day.
At the farm they don"t want any part of people.
Sorry your daughter lost her lamb.
My brother raised cattle here in So. Calif. for quite a few years As far as he knows coyotes have never bothered the cattle. The biggest problem was packs of dogs, they loved to chase the animals, until they got stressed, and died. Then the coyotes took over on the dead animal. Stan
Nancy,
In Michigan 30lbs would be a first year coyote.
I shot a young female at 35lbs, and a bigger male 55lbs. Biggest I have heard around here is 70 lbs, never did see that one though.
As JDemaris said below the eastern coyotes have crossed with wolves. Don't know about the ones in Michigan in particular, but through NY and the New England states DNA from dead coyotes confirmed the cross-breeding.
I am just getting ready to put out my fall treats for them. A one gallon jug filled with pig grease from a roast this summer.
Rick
In Michigan 30lbs would be a first year coyote.
I shot a young female at 35lbs, and a bigger male 55lbs. Biggest I have heard around here is 70 lbs, never did see that one though.
As JDemaris said below the eastern coyotes have crossed with wolves. Don't know about the ones in Michigan in particular, but through NY and the New England states DNA from dead coyotes confirmed the cross-breeding.
I am just getting ready to put out my fall treats for them. A one gallon jug filled with pig grease from a roast this summer.
Rick
I know a guy that used to feed lambs thru the winter here in central Iowa. He would run them on cornstalks. He would have a couple thousand. He said at one time he was losing one a night in the fall. He told me he went down to Missouri and bought a Great Pyrenees pup about 2/3 grown. He kept it in the barn with a sick lamb until he decided he couldn't stand the loss any more. He said he never lost another lamb. Another guy had one to take care of goats. He said he never lost any, and he was next to a wildlife refuge.
I have had to quit calving in my back pasture as the Coyotes den up in the lime stone bluffs and kill several calves each year. I have lost several good dogs in the last two years. I am pretty sure it is the coyotes. My Son and I have shot twenty-six since April 1st. We both are taking turns going out at night. 12 gauge and 30-06 have been working good.
I used to be live and let live but the coyotes breed too fast to afford it any longer.
I used to be live and let live but the coyotes breed too fast to afford it any longer.
colekicker
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Those are well fed!!!
rubberwrench
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neighbors were hunting coyotes last year moved in our mule no more coyotes
Traditional Farmer
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Get a couple Great Pyrenees pups and raise them up on your place they love to tangle with Coyotes
In this area a little north and east of Albany, NY, in and around our 98 acres, they are seemingly well established, I've been hearing them on/off since '04 and probably some time before, but now if a siren goes off, be it the firehouse or a vehicle, they howl everytime, never used to be that way. While working in the back I have seen them come out and watch me. I nailed one back in early march, just a mangy and or sickly looking one near the house.
I find their droppings, sometimes in my driveway, they eat a wide variety of things, berries, mice, somehow they find fish, I see the scales in it. At night I sometimes hear things down in the valley or outside my window, in anguish, from some predator making a kill, sometimes it does not end quickly either. Not a big fan of them, would be hard to get rid of them, probably have to start baiting them and waiting, ones I have seen are every bit over 50 lbs, though the fur makes em look bigger, some are real healthy, place is loaded with rabbits, that may be part of it. They do take fawns, I find remains sometimes, so at least their predation may be helping with the deer overpopulation.
I find their droppings, sometimes in my driveway, they eat a wide variety of things, berries, mice, somehow they find fish, I see the scales in it. At night I sometimes hear things down in the valley or outside my window, in anguish, from some predator making a kill, sometimes it does not end quickly either. Not a big fan of them, would be hard to get rid of them, probably have to start baiting them and waiting, ones I have seen are every bit over 50 lbs, though the fur makes em look bigger, some are real healthy, place is loaded with rabbits, that may be part of it. They do take fawns, I find remains sometimes, so at least their predation may be helping with the deer overpopulation.
Yeah, but what type of coyote? Eastern or Western? They are very different animals. Here in New York, we have the bigger and more timid eastern coyotes and I've never heard of any acting as you describe. I've got them all around my farm. Also, my neighbor is a NYS wildlife tech and spents quite a bit of time live-trapping them, putting radio collars on them, and releasing.
If you are in the northeast, and seeing Eastern coyotes behaving that way, maybe there's something wacky in the drinking water?
If you are in the northeast, and seeing Eastern coyotes behaving that way, maybe there's something wacky in the drinking water?
Pretty much the same situation down here in the Southern Tier. Hear them often, know they are around at night, occasionally see them around dawn when I head to the barn. They "mark" like dogs. A couple of years ago, the barn door was open and the next morning I found a pile of coyote poop on the seat of my JDA.
Every July I "hog" a small field behind a funeral home in a residential area of Vestal, NY. Saw one out in a small patch of woods at the end of the field in broad daylight.
I don't have a problem with them or other animals as long as they stay away from the house and barn but whenever I can, I use the .223, no matter in or out of season, DEC be damned.
Every July I "hog" a small field behind a funeral home in a residential area of Vestal, NY. Saw one out in a small patch of woods at the end of the field in broad daylight.
I don't have a problem with them or other animals as long as they stay away from the house and barn but whenever I can, I use the .223, no matter in or out of season, DEC be damned.
The ones I tend to see down here in the So. Tier, at least around my place any way, are pretty good size and are kind of grayish, reddish/orangeish. Neighobor hit one with his truck on Rt. 434 awhile ago. I've seen them feeding on road killed deer right on the shoulder of the west bound lane of Rt. 17/86 at Apalachin, NY, traffic whizzing right on by.
Here in the Finger Lakes they are quite leery, if you see one they are in the edge of the woods and if in an open field are on a dead run. They have been getting turkey out of the bean field out back, find a pile of feathers once in a while, don't believe we have any other predators that could take a full grown turkey. Saw a large pup not more than 30 yards in my back yard just at the edge of the beanfield last week. Had'nt learned to be scared yet, stared at me for a few seconds beefore he took off running.
New York "Eastern" coyotes are geneticaly quite different then western coyotes. Easterns are part red-wolf. That has been verified with DNA testing.
I've lived in Central New York for 40 years and have been around our local coyotes in many different ways. Even had one for a pet. I don't believe many of the negative stories I hear about them. My neighbor who is a NYS wildlife officer basically feels the same way. He's had to respond to many "reports" that wind up being done by dogs, not coyotes. Most reports around here that DO involve trouble coyotes - is when they go wacky from distemper, sarcoptic mange, rabies, etc.
I raise chickens, sheep and goats, off and on. Many winters when my barns were full of baby goats - I'd see coyote tracks near the open barn door. "Near" is 20 feet away. They never veered any closer, although it would of been easy to just walk in and grab a few kids.
Cannot say the same for red foxes, raccoons, or local dogs.
I've lived in Central New York for 40 years and have been around our local coyotes in many different ways. Even had one for a pet. I don't believe many of the negative stories I hear about them. My neighbor who is a NYS wildlife officer basically feels the same way. He's had to respond to many "reports" that wind up being done by dogs, not coyotes. Most reports around here that DO involve trouble coyotes - is when they go wacky from distemper, sarcoptic mange, rabies, etc.
I raise chickens, sheep and goats, off and on. Many winters when my barns were full of baby goats - I'd see coyote tracks near the open barn door. "Near" is 20 feet away. They never veered any closer, although it would of been easy to just walk in and grab a few kids.
Cannot say the same for red foxes, raccoons, or local dogs.
We call it treble hooking. Couple guys a little more north in Michigan got busted by the DNR for that last year.
I have heard (but never witnessed), in heavy coyote areas, there will be nothing left of the first coyote if you check it in the morning. The other coyotes eat and destroy their own.
FWIW, I don't treble hook.
Rick
I have heard (but never witnessed), in heavy coyote areas, there will be nothing left of the first coyote if you check it in the morning. The other coyotes eat and destroy their own.
FWIW, I don't treble hook.
Rick
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I also live on the Southern Tier of NY and have heard the coyotes yipping and yelping in packs for the last several years. They work themselves into a frenzy then get quiet. Rumor is they were re-introduced by the dec. Latest rumor is the dec released 5 wolves near by. Now you never hear the coyotes anymore. Also reports of panthers, brown & black, prowling the area. Wonder what they'll re-introduce to control the wolves & panthers? So comforting to know they are helping us with our money. joe-
We call it treble hooking. Couple guys a little more north in Michigan got busted by the DNR for that last year.
I have heard (but never witnessed), in heavy coyote areas, there will be nothing left of the first coyote if you check it in the morning. The other coyotes eat and destroy their own.
FWIW, I don't treble hook.
Rick
I have heard (but never witnessed), in heavy coyote areas, there will be nothing left of the first coyote if you check it in the morning. The other coyotes eat and destroy their own.
FWIW, I don't treble hook.
Rick
Eastern coyotes around here.... a pair of them mauled a girl to death in the park last fall and another one bit another girl on the head this summer. Again, while camping in the park. These are not cases of mabey this or that... it was coyote.
They never seem to bother me... but then again, I'm all about killing them... so they keep their distance.
Rod
They never seem to bother me... but then again, I'm all about killing them... so they keep their distance.
Rod
Well that beats all, pile a crap on the seat of an A, makes you wonder what in heck and or why there LOL ?
I like to leave the critters be, but it appears these guys are out there in numbers now. I don't exactly trust their behavior and they are not supposed to be aggressive to humans, but you never know, good to be armed I suppose, nice stick or a firearm, I prefer the latter of the 2 !
I saw a really healthy gray fox the other night outside my back door, I had been cleaning up some accumulated junk for removal and was alarmed to find a small species of rat with some young, all dead, kind of reeked a little, no doubt that fox was drawn to it, I've seen them gobble up whole, dead goslings, that were just ripe, in the hot sun 2 days or so. Also found a corn or milk snake, must have been some rodents, seemed he was a bit miffed at the clean up and wanted to move on. One thing is for sure you can't let ones place accumulate too much, nice habitat for pests !
I used to work for a recycling company called C.A.R.C.O. back in '85, they had a sister plant in Vestal, about the worst job I ever had, local #669 teamsters, union was fine but the work and the plant was as bad as it gets !
I like to leave the critters be, but it appears these guys are out there in numbers now. I don't exactly trust their behavior and they are not supposed to be aggressive to humans, but you never know, good to be armed I suppose, nice stick or a firearm, I prefer the latter of the 2 !
I saw a really healthy gray fox the other night outside my back door, I had been cleaning up some accumulated junk for removal and was alarmed to find a small species of rat with some young, all dead, kind of reeked a little, no doubt that fox was drawn to it, I've seen them gobble up whole, dead goslings, that were just ripe, in the hot sun 2 days or so. Also found a corn or milk snake, must have been some rodents, seemed he was a bit miffed at the clean up and wanted to move on. One thing is for sure you can't let ones place accumulate too much, nice habitat for pests !
I used to work for a recycling company called C.A.R.C.O. back in '85, they had a sister plant in Vestal, about the worst job I ever had, local #669 teamsters, union was fine but the work and the plant was as bad as it gets !
About 12-15 years ago coyotes became a big problem in NE IL, especially near a particular town about 20 miles from here. It started off with farmers losing animals. Then the coyotes became more bold and killed many dogs in town. There was an article in the paper about a kid that had gotten off a tractor to check on a piece of equipment. When he climbed back on the tractor he found 17 coyotes had surrounded him. Scared the heck out of him.
There were two coyotes that would come right up to our fenced yard at night. Our shepard/chow mix that was inside the fence would growl at them. We'd shine a flashlight out the window and the coyotes would take off. We heard them kill something close by one night after we scared them away from our place.
There were two coyotes that would come right up to our fenced yard at night. Our shepard/chow mix that was inside the fence would growl at them. We'd shine a flashlight out the window and the coyotes would take off. We heard them kill something close by one night after we scared them away from our place.
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They're Eastern Coyotes with lots of documented
kills,natural born killers and kill for sport.Counties had bounties on them until the economic slowdown they also kill calves frequently.Don't kid yourself once they start killing you'll be out of business in a hurry
kills,natural born killers and kill for sport.Counties had bounties on them until the economic slowdown they also kill calves frequently.Don't kid yourself once they start killing you'll be out of business in a hurry
Federal statistics state that there have been two verified human deaths from coyote attacks in the past 30 years in the entire USA.
On the other hand, in the past 30 years, there have been over 400 people killed by domestic dogs in the USA. In fact, many more people in the USA have been killed by horses, then by coyotes.
I know that at least in New York about all coyotes that have attacked humans and were shot, were found to have rabies. I.e., they were sick and it wasn't their normal behavior.
On the other hand, in the past 30 years, there have been over 400 people killed by domestic dogs in the USA. In fact, many more people in the USA have been killed by horses, then by coyotes.
I know that at least in New York about all coyotes that have attacked humans and were shot, were found to have rabies. I.e., they were sick and it wasn't their normal behavior.
Yep I have heard the same thing too. I have heard tell of folks just find'n a coyote's head hang'n the next morning. Also heard folks tell of just find'n a big chunk of tongue hanging and a bled out coyote down the ditch a short ways too. Course all this is all second hand stories, don't know if it works or not.
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