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I see numerous 8N/9N Ford loaders on Craigslist for sale locally, but I have a '55 Allis WD-45 wide front. So, I'm wondering if it would be nearly like starting over to try and mount one of these or not? I know, you can put anything anywhere with a torch, welder and hammer, but has anyone else ever looked into this or done it? Most of them come with a hydraulic pump that I might find to still be in serviceable condition, too. So, is it more trouble than it's worth or not?
 
Depends on how bad you want a hobby. They're nothing alike. For the most part,you'd just have to pull the pins out of the arms and use them while building everything that bolts to the tractor from scratch. That's gonna mean a lot of new steel,so yes,probably cost prohibitive. A New Idea Horn loader was made specificaly for those ACs and should be able to be bought for a song. There were a lot of them made and should still be a lot of them around.
 
About all I've seen around here are the Freeman trip bucket loaders with the manure forks. So, I'm looking at adding a cylinder, valves, and either modifying the manure bucket or building something new from scratch, anyway. I don't think I've seen any New idea loaders, know where a picture might be found?
 
yes it can be done.you will have to build new mounts,etc.go for it! and dont be afraid to think "outside the box".good luck!
 
Why not put an Alice Chalmers loader on it. I have one made by Freeman w/trip manure bucket that I'd be willing to part with. My email's open. Keith
 
The N's were quite a bit shorter than your Allis, I think- measure them- if so, you'd not only have to make mounts, but also lengthen the loader frame itself. I think that would be more of a project than you want.

I'll vote with those who advise to look for one that fits.
 
That was one of the things I was wondering about, along with the width. But even if I get a Freeman loader or something similar, they aren't worth much unless you add a cylinder for the bucket, a valve, and a pump, none of which comes cheap. Which is why I started kicking the Ford loader idea around. It may indeed be too much trouble, which is why I was hoping someone who had looked at this already would see this post. Thanks for your thoughts.
 
I found a couple of pictures of New Idea/Horn loaders. They aren't what I had in mind so far as design/appearance. Looks like they would be a problem if you had to try to get on the tractor from the side for some reason as well.
 
Schmuck. To the best of my recollection, those Ford loaders with the pump out front, had used the frame for oil resovoir. At leas thats the way I remember it. Luck whatever you do. BErnie
 
I had thought about building a reservoir, I didn't know about the frame reservoir angle. I guess what it comes down to is, I figured I'd have to modify the frame/mounting brackets considerably. If it is going to require widening/lengthening the lift arms, I'll probably scrap the idea.
 
No one mentioned the need for high pressure cylinders to handle the allis hydraulics. I don"t know if the originals will handle the pressure.
We had a New Idea trip buchet loader that we bought new with the WD-45. It was a very tough unit with a huge lift capacity. The only improvement would be a front-mounted pump with an additional valve for the bucket cylinder.
 
In the pictures I've seen, it looks like the loader sits outside the entire tractor frame and is made mostly of some type of round tubing or pipe, which would increase the overall width of the tractor, also. Is this the right type, or am I seeing pictures of something else....
 
I don"t have a model number for the New Idea loader, but the subframe for it bolted onto the Allis frame in existing holes alongside the engine. The back part of the subframe had a loop that went over the axle casting inside the back wheels. We left the subframe on all winter, until it was time to cultivate. The liftarms and cylinders came off with just 4 pins, so we set them off whenever we weren"t actually using the loader. Our WD-45 had a wide front, and so the loader didn"t add any width.
 
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