I want to learn Spanish so I can hire more illegal undocumen

Whomever started the topic regarding learning Spanish as to hire more illegals, which subsequently went "poof"...... SCR@W YOU. You and your attitude is EXACTLY what is wrong with this country! Your attitude has nothing to do what is right for your fellow man, country and well being, but only as to how much money you can put in your pocket as well as how large a TV you can fit into your place. You should be ashamed of yourself.

There are many vets who have put their life and body on the line for what is right in this country. You have slapped them all in the face.

I only wish you would post your actual street address. I am sure we can gather up many a disabled veterans to set you straight.

To call yourself a farmer or an American is a disgrace to this country and the beliefs it was founded on.

In Australia if Foreigners do not have the appropriate work documents, they{not so much] but their employer is up for big dollars.The Employer has to sight the doco's. no ticket. no work, but there is always the gambler.

ChrisB,
I posted my email so you can contact me and I
will gladly give you my address. You sound like
someone detached from reality.
Western New York produces almost 500 million
dollars of agricultural products per year.
Foreign workers compose a large portion of the
work force. People in this area think it is
below them to do farm work and welfare is easy
to get. So that leaves our options limited.
As far as veterans to I hired eight since the
Vietnam era. The longest one lasted is 3&1/2
months. Talking to guys in our area their
experience is similar.
As far as my post about language, ChrisB
you better get real in this area language is
a tool as much as any other farm tool.

ChrisB,
I posted my email so you can contact me and I
will gladly give you my address. You sound like
someone detached from reality.
Western New York produces almost 500 million
dollars of agricultural products per year.
Foreign workers compose a large portion of the
work force. People in this area think it is
below them to do farm work and welfare is easy
to get. So that leaves our options limited.
As far as veterans to I hired eight since the
Vietnam era. The longest one lasted is 3&1/2
months. Talking to guys in our area their
experience is similar.
As far as my post about language, ChrisB
you better get real in this area language is
a tool as much as any other farm tool.

Your right on one point, many people have died to keep this country free for its LEGAL CITIZENS to enjoy. Those same folks didnt die to allow immigrants to come to this country ILLEGALLY. All we want is for them come to this country in a LEGAL fashion following all the rules of and red tape to enter this country and abtaining Citizenship and then they can enjoy all the freedoms we have to offer.

Iam all for anyone to come to this country as long as they do it LEGALLY.

Most workers in Westen New York are here legally.
Their children in our schools excel and are
more patriotic then most of our children and
grandchildren.
Not to labor the point much longer, I post my
email. Contact me and I will give you my phone
number to discuss further.
ps As far as being patriotic I lost one Uncle
and two brother inlaws fighting our wars.

I don't recall the earlier post saying anything about hiring illegals. The fact of the matter is that in some parts of the country and in certain businesses, 99 percent of your workers are going to be speaking Spanish as their first language. If, as an employer, you don't learn Spanish, you'll quickly find your employees are running the show, not you. You may not like it, but that's the way it is.

It's all about the money. Congress wants rock bottom labor's workers. Follow the paper trails and all roads lead to congress. Per the Sunday morning face the nation show.

This is BS. I hire hispanic labor not becuase they are cheap, I start them at $10.00 and hour, but becuase of their work ethic. They are the hardest working, non-complaining, punctual people I have ever met. If you can find me, becuase I have tried to for years, one of these young punks that will carry a backpack sprayer all day in the heat, it would be a miracle. When are we going to realize its not the hispanic labor that is our problem, it"s our next generation of Americans!

I'm sorry to break this piece of news to you, but if you eliminate Mexican labor,legal, illegal or otherwise, you eliminate the US/Canada horticulture industry. Period.
This isn't about money anymore. It's simply a matter that you can not get a white man to do the work for any price... and the ones that squalk about it the most are the last ones to spend a day on their knees in the field.

Rod

(quoted from post at 04:43:24 05/04/10) I'm sorry to break this piece of news to you, but if you eliminate Mexican labor,legal, illegal or otherwise, you eliminate the US/Canada horticulture industry. Period.
This isn't about money anymore. It's simply a matter that you can not get a white man to do the work for any price... and the ones that squalk about it the most are the last ones to spend a day on their knees in the field.

Rod

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Exactly.............. I need some help around the place now and then.... Think I could find a German to do it. I have a couple Russians that come around now and then and I have to make them stop to eat and go home when I'm tired.

Dave

How do you not hire illegals?

The state of Kansas issues them all the ID they need to be hired and fill out the I-9 form. The federal government makes it illegal to run "extra" checks if you think someone is illegal because it’s discriminatory.

Illegal immigration is a difficult problem with no easy solution. Yes, they work where many citizens won't, but on the other hand many of them won't pay taxes (know that for a fact). If you go to Western Union on payday, there's a line down the block. Many of them send their money to Mexico instead of spending here.

I have a co-worker who has been hit twice by illegals and they jump out of the car and run, leaving you holding the bag.

The hospital closest to me closed because of unpaid medical bills mostly from the ER. If you visit an ER, who is it you see there?

If you go to the county hospital ER, you will have to wait 3 to 4 hrs before you can be treated, again who do you see there? Parkland sends a bill to Mexico every year for tens of thousands of dollars, do you think it gets paid?

If they would pay taxes like the rest of us, pay their bills like the rest of us, it would be different.

I have thought about this issue a great deal and I keep coming back to "the end does not justify the means".

There is no good solution.

I saw a piece on CBS Evening News, lastnight,
about undocumented Mexicans leaving Arizona...
soon, all of the maids, and gardeners, and
produce pickers, and others will be gone to other
states and Arizonaians will be screaming for
workers and a movement to impeach their governor
will begin !

(quoted from post at 06:02:01 05/04/10) If they would pay taxes like the rest of us, pay their bills like the rest of us,.

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At least they are working and producing something and occupying their time with other activities (work) than watching oprah and running meth labs........
Ask your friendly neighborhood external_linksite ti pick a tomatoe or apple and see where it gets you.................

Dave

Nancy,
In our area, all employers withhold Fed, State,
and Soc. Sec. taxes. Many Mexicans send money
home because they are willing to work 75 hours
a work. They money goes home because of a strong
family structure we seem to have lost.
When I took my wife to the E.R., it was low
income whites and welfare people that held up
the treatment time. Thank God (can you use that
word here) our hospital uses a triage system
if you need urgent care.

I agree with you Cas.

Its been my experience that the ones that yell loudest about it - know the least about the reality of the situation - from any personal experience.

With the way you have to verify SSN's for every employee now, it has dried up the illegal migrants around here, anyway.

I don't know why people don't understand that.

I'd write more, but this will all disappear soon, anyway...

Howard

I agree with you Cas.

Its been my experience that the ones that yell loudest about it - know the least about the reality of the situation - from any personal experience.

With the way you have to verify SSN's for every employee now, it has dried up the illegal migrants around here, anyway.

I don't know why people don't understand that.

I'd write more, but this will all disappear soon, anyway...

Howard

why cant we hire workers who ARE legally here. They can go get a work visa. End of story.

There are millions of legal workers in the U.S. And yes, in states like Texas and Arizona, The number of illegals are a huge strain on the local governments.

Living in Texas, We all know that the hospitals are collasping under the weight of health care from illegals. The motor vehical insureance is outrageous becuase of non insured and non licenced drivers who run away at every accident. The construction business is almost exclusivly illegals and yes, our cost of housing is half of yours, but we pay in dearly in other areas.

You cant hardly find a white carpenter as he can make a living here. In San Antonio, the white people are the minority and have been for 15 years. Spanish only is 25 percent of the population. Go to the valley and spanish is better than 50% of the population. In brownville tx, the schools are the fastest growing enrollement in the nation and all students get a free lunch on the goverment tab. More than half of them are illegals and no one cares that the feds are paying for it.


up north the opposite is true.

So depending on where you live,, up north this is considered an racial slap.

In the border states its considered theft and armed robbery.

NO OTHER COUNTRY allows illegals to do what they do here. Not even mexico.

If you own land near the border, everything you own is stolen every night and your land is trashed. You have to lock up your family every night as the border crossers are no longer just workers looking for a better life, they are thugs and thieves and carry everything that is not tied down. Mc Allen tx had the highest car theft rate in the U.S. not to mention the world.
The border thieves carry knives, guns and even automatic weapons now. Before eveyone gets on their high horse, they need to walk a mile in someone elses shoes. Arizona citizens are fed up as are lot of texans. The interesting thing is that the mexican-americans dont see it as a crime and that the mexicans have a right to enter the U.S. and take what ever they need.

The government needs to make up its mind to ether inforce the laws or not. If not we will need to hire our own security forces if you live down here as the law is not working.

A cartoon I saw pretty well sums up the whole thing.

"Calling an illegal alien an undocumented worker is like calling a drug dealer an unregistered pharmacist" lol

I say call a spade a spade, this is a country of laws and LEGAL immigrants have worked and complied with our laws and have made this country great and have constitutional rights butttttttttttttttt illegal immigrants are Im sorry, law breakers and dont have the same rights afforded to legal US citizens yet are still human beings to be afforded human rights and decency and fairness that goes with whatever deportations or punishment they are subject to according to our laws.

Legal immigrants ARE NOT the same as illegal immigrants and are to be dealt with differently, even if thats NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT LOL

God bless yall now, be you a legal US citizen or an illegal alien.

John T

These people on this forum are mostly going to drive you crazy with their answers.They dont see beyond their nose most of them anyway.For one thing there have always been migrant workers.I dont know what the deal on migrant workers was,but they came up here and worked then went back.What happens now is they come up here and dont leave because the government has made it too cozy for them to leave.
Americans wont work for what these people are paid,and its just that simple.If 20 people lived in a 2 room apartment and ate only hot dogs maybe you could find Americans to work for what they do,but most Americans dont want to live like that.
People on this forum think that they are allowed to do things that most everybody else knows is wrong.Like pay less wages or work them all the time with no overtime,or just mistreat them because they are illegals.What needs to happen is that the ones who hire illegals get some prison time for hiring them and especially if they pay them lower wages and this will go away.
With all the crap they have to go through to get in legally,there is no wonder they just cross the border and come illegally.You cant blame the Mexicans really,but you can for sure blame the Americans who hire them.Its so bad that companies using illegal laborers have cut rates on people who use American labor because they pay the Mexicans crap wages and underbid the Americans.If Mexico wasnt so bad we wouldnt have this problem.We should have a war with Mexico.They surely couldnt put up much of a fight.
We also could just take over Mexico and make them a territory or something and make them learn English in school.This crap will keep going on as long as crooks can get away with it and Mexico is a corrupt third world country.
Whenever you read what most of these people post on this board,its because they dont care about what it does to the rest of us as long as they can get their cheap labor they will even learn Spanish to get more of it.
While some may pay good,I bet its way more who pay less than minimum wage,otherwise they wouldnt care who they hired.If you will hire somebody for minimum wage,and you can hire somebody who speaks English,why would you hire somebody you cant talk to?
Yeah Mexicans work hard,but you would too if you were illegal.After they are up here for a while they get just like the rest of the people,maybe worse.They arent any better than Americans,or any other group of people,the attraction for the crooks is they work cheap.Thats all they ever wanted was people they could get away with screwing over and the Mexicans fit right in for that.If Mexico didnt suck they wouldnt even be here.

You are correct that all employers are required to withhold taxes. But, a couple of years ago, one of my former co-workers who is hispanic, worked for a tax preparation agency during tax "season". She told us illegals would come in to get their taxes done and if they got a refund, they would file. If they owed, they just got up and walked out the door.

There are places (wish I had kept the report) where illegals have driven wages down by as much as 50%.

Illegal is illegal. I"ve thought about this a lot and I keep coming back to "the end does not justify the means".

ChrisB,
I reread you post a couple of times. My original
post was not to hire more Mexicans. It was to
communicate with the ones here. knowing Spanish
can be worth more than any tool box sometimes.
You probably are to ignorant to know what I-9
form is. It is people like you that are ruining
the country.
My stepdaughter has lived in San Antonio, Texas
for 20 years. I know the problems in border
states first hand. But in Western New York if you
want to paralyze agriculture send all the
Mexicans back home.
I detest people who post voracious negative
comments without posting their e-mail. If you
notice I do not hide behing my posts without
giving my e-mail for direct comments to me.
This is a great forum for learning and sharing
knowledge despite people like you.

Trucker40
I am calling you out also. Please do 2 things
Post your email address and visit Western New
York and I will personally take you to farms
to see the labor and pay structure first hand.
Mexicans earn no less than $8.00 per hour and
up to $16.00 per hour. Most here are legal just
as my grandparents were.

Well said!!!!!

Mexicans here legal are not the problem.Its the ones here illegal that are the problem and there is something like 20 million of them or more here and more cross every day.
Who can blame them for coming across the border to work here?If we were in their shoes we would probably cross the border too.The problem is that they are up here illegally,not paying local taxes,and using hospitals and all the other stuff that was set up for tax paying Americans.So the ones abusing the system should get prison time and things will change.They wont come up here if nobody will hire them,and it might even help them because they can fight their government and maybe improve their country and not need to come up here.As long as crooks get away with doing what they are doing,they will keep it up,on both sides of the border.

Why don't you pay them the hourly wage you make, they might do it then?

Thats a selfish way to talk to a vet.You should not post your Email on the internet if you dont want a bunch of virus and other crap.Maybe not as much from this site,but its still possible.Plus you arent going to intimidate anybody with your nonsense.
Its not hard to see whats wrong,and its never been people here legally,its the illegals eating up the resources and there is no argument to it.

I must have missed that topic, all I read was the one where a guy asked if it'd be worth his time to learn a little Spanish cause some of the farmers he does repair work for is use'n hispanic labor. The topic I read was just a guy ask'n a queston and then a bunch of knuckle dragger'n mouth breathers jumped to the conclusion that if some one was working too much to take English classes they must be illegal.

This topic will go poof to so before it does let me say-
One go start one like it on the new ot and it won't go poof.
Two, it ain't the Mexicans fault, they are just fill'n a void left by the Americans too lazy to work. Farmers and some industry just can't compete with the wellfare system and tater tickets to get folks off the couch.
Three, it you can't see that there really is no controversy here other than what the politicians and news media are make'n out of the whole mess then you got's problems.

Dave

I call BS. All the farmers will have to do is jump through the H2A hoops and paperwork. H2A workers just want to job and don't don't care at all about the politics of the state they are going to. If tobacco farmers can get away from illegal workers every industry can live with out them.

Dave

This is one hard subject to deal with but if you look at it as it should be looked the answers are clear cut. No other country will stand for you to be there if you are illegal. They will put you out, in jail, or even to death. We all except the americian indian originated from somewhere outside the USA and I don't have a problem with someone becoming a legal U.S. tax paying citizen, but I do have a problem with the people who hire someone that is here by illegal means and I do have a problem with those people who are illegal. As for the legal citizens of the U.S. who live off the system they should work ( if health is good and they are able ) for the benifits they are given even if it's picking up trash along the roads etc. Don't even go there with me about the rights of those who are illegal in this great USA, they didn't and don't in any way pay the price millions of LEGAL citizens have paid for those rights. Most of the time there is NO taxes paid, "contract labor" and the employer DOES NOT have to withhold any taxes and said employee (self employed) is long gone with the cash in his pocket back to his wonderful country. Say what you want but we have become a country of hand outs and turn our back on too many things that are wrong. Cross into there wonderful land, be illegal and see what happens to you, oh but that's not the same.

Even the American Indians came from somewhere else; it was a few thousand years earlier, but they didn't start out here.

Hope I wasn"t the one that fired this topic up the other day.

Oliverguy,
The guy that mentioned cheap Mexican rock pickers
gave me the Spanish idea.
I work on a few large local farms and the
Mexicans are the only ones that seem to know
what happened to the tractor before it stopped.
I have to find a Mexican that can speak English
for a translator. Been trying to figure out a
way to learn some Spanish to save time.
Would consider this a tool did not mean to start
a war.
If Spanish is now a necessary tool, I do not
know why my original post got poofed.
Cas
ps Where do you find this webmaster? I want to
ask him what constitutes a tool

They say the American Indians came from France most likely.

I'd like to know what dictionary the term "Illegal immigrant" came out of. An oxymoron if there ever was one ....

Hey SCHMUCK I guess you are too stupid to understand what my point was. There are people who are here in the USA and continue to exsist by illegal means. They have no plans to become legal tax paying citizens. THEY DON'T BELONG HERE ! My point was we all originated from somewhere else and i don't have a problem with people who want to come to the USA and become a legal tax paying citizens. Your name fits you, now get off my back, not one thing was said about "Illegal immigrant" stupid !

(quoted from post at 15:37:31 05/04/10) Oliverguy,
The guy that mentioned cheap Mexican rock pickers
gave me the Spanish idea.
I work on a few large local farms and the
Mexicans are the only ones that seem to know
what happened to the tractor before it stopped.
I have to find a Mexican that can speak English
for a translator. Been trying to figure out a
way to learn some Spanish to save time.
Would consider this a tool did not mean to start
a war.
If Spanish is now a necessary tool, I do not
know why my original post got poofed.
Cas
ps Where do you find this webmaster? I want to
ask him what constitutes a tool

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Rosetta Stone Language courses are real helpful. A little time consuming and I just noticed that they are expensive ($500 +/-) but very helpful. I'm pretty thick headed and zoomed right through the German course.
Nothing wrong with learning another language, especially if it helps you out. May even open a few doors for you. May be a way to get to Rosetta Stone for free if you want to shoot me an email.

Dave


Dave

I thought one of the rights that every veteran who ever fought for this country AND one of the core beliefs that this country was founded on was the right to have your own opinions and express them...

I'd say you should be ashamed of YOUR self...


Howard

Arizona was simply doing what the constitution says to do!!!! We let all these people basically walk over here with nothing, we give them money and "free" health care, a place to stay and a job, and it's okay if they don't belong?? If someone came over here from Germany they would have to have a health check, a visa, and a sponsor for starts, and they have to learn english, so why do you bend over for a bunch of LAW BREAKING PEOPLE??????? Do you stick up for thieves and murders??? Either way they are breaking federal laws and nobody seems to give a dam, my uncle fought in WWII, my dad and father-in-law fought in Vietnam, and some friends in Desert Storm and this gulf war mess and it wasn't for a bunch of illegal scabs to come here and get a free ride and mooch off of me!!!!!!!!!!! I am sick and tired of having to press 1 for english, why can't my family press "3" for German??????? WTF!!!!!!!